Intellectual Property Forum The Intellectual Property Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

We are looking for moderators.  Message the admin if interested.

Author Topic: Working for the USPTO  (Read 2573618 times)

PatentExaminer18

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Posts: 24
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7185 on: 02-14-18 at 10:25 am »

I don't see many examiners making it 20+ years as an examiner.

I would say, it's extremely unlikely.

I thought examiners work as examiners for many years, as it hard to go back to work for the private sector after working a few years as an examiner. What career paths/ jobs are available/suitable for examiners who decide to leave the PTO ? 
Logged

ThomasPaine

  • Lead Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 851
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7186 on: 02-14-18 at 10:36 am »

"Last biweek (pay period), I worked three 24 hour days straight."

You may want to consider the possibility that you're doing it all wrong.

Just saying.
Logged

steelie

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 180
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7187 on: 02-14-18 at 10:57 am »

"Last biweek (pay period), I worked three 24 hour days straight."

You may want to consider the possibility that you're doing it all wrong.

Just saying.
In low allowance units (where you can go six months with no allowance), it's all searching, and writing.

You "live off your RCEs". However, in biweeks (pay periods) with no *easy* RCEs, then you're working like a dog to make production.

I would say about five times per year it can take me at least two days to find a reference.
Logged

ThomasPaine

  • Lead Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 851
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7188 on: 02-14-18 at 11:09 am »

"I would say about five times per year it can take me at least two days to find a reference."

You may want to consider the possibility that you're doing it all wrong.

Just saying.
Logged

two banks of four

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 75
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7189 on: 02-14-18 at 12:29 pm »

In other news, the administration trots out its ransom note again:

-no COLA raises for Feds, so effectively at least a 2% pay cut with inflation now at 2% and nudging up
-revamping retirement so FERS contribution kicks up to 6% eventually (which would be 5% more than it currently is)
-delay in-grade step increases
-remove COLA benefits for FERS

Last three items were previously proposed, but didn't pass.  This is perhaps the wet-dream scenario for those who want to stick it to Feds, but it's looking rather grim.  If they get this anywhere near passing, I'll begin to send out resumes...  Which probably means I should go polish my resume and cover letter...
Logged

steelie

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 180
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7190 on: 02-14-18 at 12:37 pm »

In other news, the administration trots out its ransom note again:
Also, elimination of the FERS pension for anyone with less than 5 working years.

"Eliminate FERS contributions for Federal employees with fewer than five years of service. Instead, they would receive a lump sum benefit of contributions they have made to FERS and receive an additional 3 percentage points in automatic TSP contributions. This would make them eligible to receive up to 8 percent in total government contributions"
https://www.fedsmith.com/2018/02/09/changes-federal-employees-coming-workplace/
« Last Edit: 02-14-18 at 12:46 pm by steelie »
Logged

ThomasPaine

  • Lead Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 851
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7191 on: 02-14-18 at 01:02 pm »

If you're a federal employee and you voted for the repubtards and president orange julius, you got nobody to blame but yourself. 
Logged

fewyearsin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 366
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7192 on: 02-14-18 at 01:03 pm »

In other news, the administration trots out its ransom note again:
Also, elimination of the FERS pension for anyone with less than 5 working years.

"Eliminate FERS contributions for Federal employees with fewer than five years of service. Instead, they would receive a lump sum benefit of contributions they have made to FERS and receive an additional 3 percentage points in automatic TSP contributions. This would make them eligible to receive up to 8 percent in total government contributions"
https://www.fedsmith.com/2018/02/09/changes-federal-employees-coming-workplace/
Which is an absolute ripoff for the Feds.  Take away a benefit worth about 10% of their salary, and give them an extra 3%, and tell them that it is all roughly equal.

But again we all know that it's a ruse to get rid of any competent government workers, so then they can say "hey, our government workers suck, let's hire all this work out to our contractor friends!"  So the end game is reduced services at astronomically higher prices.  Yay for average Joe taxpayer!
Logged
This comment: does not represent the opinion or position of the PTO or any law firm; is not legal advice; and represents only a few quick thoughts from the author, not a well-researched treatise.  Seek out the advice of a competent patent attorney for answers to specific questions you may have.

fewyearsin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 366
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7193 on: 02-14-18 at 01:09 pm »

"I would say about five times per year it can take me at least two days to find a reference."

You may want to consider the possibility that you're doing it all wrong.

Just saying.
First, the kinds of people that struggle at the PTO are likely the kind of people that would struggle anywhere.  Certain time-management and prioritization skills apply cross-discipline.  ALL professionals face regular deadline pressure.  Attorneys, for example, have NON-EXTENDABLE deadlines, unlike examiners who can just take a hit on their DM score, but otherwise are fine to blow deadlines.  Attorneys either have to pay extension fees out of their own pocket, or have to face possible malpractice claims (hint - career ending) for blowing a final deadline.  And what about Doctors?  Oh, I don't feel like operating today, why don't you come in tomorrow AFTER YOU DIE.  Yeah, lots of people have deadline pressure, that's called being a professional.  Comes with the territory.

Second, it is a bad idea to rely on RCEs to meet counts.  The way I was taught, and has served me well, is to always do work as though you have no RCEs coming in, and then when they do come in, they are just gravy, and if you've worked extra hours (which it sounds like you do), then you can claim OT and still meet production.  Win-win!  More money, and less volatility and stress.
Logged
This comment: does not represent the opinion or position of the PTO or any law firm; is not legal advice; and represents only a few quick thoughts from the author, not a well-researched treatise.  Seek out the advice of a competent patent attorney for answers to specific questions you may have.

lazyexaminer

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 382
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7194 on: 02-14-18 at 01:14 pm »

Steelie has already said he works VOT and uses leave just to hit 95% production. He is clearly not the norm, and most people with such difficulty would have left long ago. I just hope new folks reading this board donít take his words as gospel.
Logged
I'm not your examiner, I'm not your lawyer, and I'm speaking only for myself, not for the USPTO.

abc123

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 116
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7195 on: 02-14-18 at 01:24 pm »

I thought examiners work as examiners for many years, as it hard to go back to work for the private sector after working a few years as an examiner. What career paths/ jobs are available/suitable for examiners who decide to leave the PTO ?

I know a guy who is a former examiner who is tending a bar in Boston.

What is kind of scary is when an examiner can't hack it, and he has to come back as a contractor, doing things like teaching examiners how to use some new search engine. Kind of like the movie industry, where when the actors get too old, they become extras.

On another note, fewyearsin has got it right. Also, he once mentioned how he likes to suggest words in the claims to make them allowable. If you look at the examiners who have survived and possibly thrived for a long time, that is how they do it. The game of stringing out RCE's like fish on a fishline eventually catches up with the examiner. It is easy to spot on a production sheet, and eventually the examiner will find himself, well, tending a bar.
« Last Edit: 02-14-18 at 01:27 pm by abc123 »
Logged

two banks of four

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 75
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7196 on: 02-14-18 at 01:38 pm »

If you're a federal employee and you voted for the repubtards and president orange julius, you got nobody to blame but yourself.

Even more confounding are those who didn't vote for Trump but voted GOP.  I look at the people who live in Barbara Comstock's district and wonder just wtf those people were thinking.  Lots of feds and contractors, and not to mention many who would lose out with the new tax law once the cuts are phased out.  Clinton actually did well in that district, but they decided Comstock was going to represent their best interests?  Perhaps the cynical feds and contractors affiliated with DoD thought they'd get more opportunities?

Also, at the risk of going even more off tangent, calling him julius is a bit too flattering.  Caligula may be more apt ;)

I thought examiners work as examiners for many years, as it hard to go back to work for the private sector after working a few years as an examiner. What career paths/ jobs are available/suitable for examiners who decide to leave the PTO ?

I know a guy who is a former examiner who is tending a bar in Boston.

What is kind of scary is when an examiner can't hack it, and he has to come back as a contractor, doing things like teaching examiners how to use some new search engine. Kind of like the movie industry, where when the actors get too old, they become extras.

On another note, fewyearsin has got it right. Also, he once mentioned how he likes to suggest words in the claims to make them allowable. If you look at the examiners who have survived and possibly thrived for a long time, that is how they do it. The game of stringing out RCE's like fish on a fishline eventually catches up with the examiner. It is easy to spot on a production sheet, and eventually the examiner will find himself, well, tending a bar.

technically, the PTO collectively tends a bar, and our patrons are members of the bar, so the change in profession may not be as drastic ;)
Logged

abc123

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 116
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7197 on: 02-14-18 at 01:51 pm »

Not to mention the large number of attorneys who smell like a walking distillery.
Logged

steelie

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 180
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7198 on: 02-14-18 at 01:58 pm »

"I would say about five times per year it can take me at least two days to find a reference."

You may want to consider the possibility that you're doing it all wrong.

Just saying.
First, the kinds of people that struggle at the PTO are likely the kind of people that would struggle anywhere.  Certain time-management and prioritization skills apply cross-discipline.  ALL professionals face regular deadline pressure.  Attorneys, for example, have NON-EXTENDABLE deadlines, unlike examiners who can just take a hit on their DM score, but otherwise are fine to blow deadlines.  Attorneys either have to pay extension fees out of their own pocket, or have to face possible malpractice claims (hint - career ending) for blowing a final deadline.  And what about Doctors?  Oh, I don't feel like operating today, why don't you come in tomorrow AFTER YOU DIE.  Yeah, lots of people have deadline pressure, that's called being a professional.  Comes with the territory.

Second, it is a bad idea to rely on RCEs to meet counts.  The way I was taught, and has served me well, is to always do work as though you have no RCEs coming in, and then when they do come in, they are just gravy, and if you've worked extra hours (which it sounds like you do), then you can claim OT and still meet production.  Win-win!  More money, and less volatility and stress.
Your art is just different.

In my art primaries are around a 20% allowance rate, and juniors are at around 10%.

Trying to get the applicant to put a ton of stuff in the claims is a losing game.

These are the big fortune 50 companies represented by the big law firms.

They know their clients will go 3-5 RCES , no problem.

How do you propose to convince them to terminate prosecution early, when they have all that money to get "the broadest possible claims"?
« Last Edit: 02-14-18 at 02:00 pm by steelie »
Logged

ThomasPaine

  • Lead Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 851
    • View Profile
Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #7199 on: 02-14-18 at 03:01 pm »

"These are the big fortune 50 companies represented by the big law firms.

They know their clients will go 3-5 RCES , no problem."

What color is the sky in your world?
Logged
 



Footer

www.intelproplaw.com

Terms of Use
Feel free to contact us:
Sorry, spam is killing us.

iKnight Technologies Inc.

www.intelproplaw.com

Page created in 0.118 seconds with 21 queries.