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 91 
 on: 02-14-18 at 02:43 pm 
Started by Robert K S - Last post by Robert K S
In any case, I made sure there was no opportunity for confusion by drafting the claim like this:

1. An apparatus comprising:
  a component configured to do one of:
    perform X and then perform Y, or
    perform Y and then perform X;
...

I realize that would get unwieldy with long lists.

 92 
 on: 02-14-18 at 01:58 pm 
Started by JTripodo - Last post by steelie
"I would say about five times per year it can take me at least two days to find a reference."

You may want to consider the possibility that you're doing it all wrong.

Just saying.
First, the kinds of people that struggle at the PTO are likely the kind of people that would struggle anywhere.  Certain time-management and prioritization skills apply cross-discipline.  ALL professionals face regular deadline pressure.  Attorneys, for example, have NON-EXTENDABLE deadlines, unlike examiners who can just take a hit on their DM score, but otherwise are fine to blow deadlines.  Attorneys either have to pay extension fees out of their own pocket, or have to face possible malpractice claims (hint - career ending) for blowing a final deadline.  And what about Doctors?  Oh, I don't feel like operating today, why don't you come in tomorrow AFTER YOU DIE.  Yeah, lots of people have deadline pressure, that's called being a professional.  Comes with the territory.

Second, it is a bad idea to rely on RCEs to meet counts.  The way I was taught, and has served me well, is to always do work as though you have no RCEs coming in, and then when they do come in, they are just gravy, and if you've worked extra hours (which it sounds like you do), then you can claim OT and still meet production.  Win-win!  More money, and less volatility and stress.
Your art is just different.

In my art primaries are around a 20% allowance rate, and juniors are at around 10%.

Trying to get the applicant to put a ton of stuff in the claims is a losing game.

These are the big fortune 50 companies represented by the big law firms.

They know their clients will go 3-5 RCES , no problem.

How do you propose to convince them to terminate prosecution early, when they have all that money to get "the broadest possible claims"?

 93 
 on: 02-14-18 at 01:51 pm 
Started by JTripodo - Last post by abc123
Not to mention the large number of attorneys who smell like a walking distillery.

 94 
 on: 02-14-18 at 01:38 pm 
Started by JTripodo - Last post by two banks of four
If you're a federal employee and you voted for the repubtards and president orange julius, you got nobody to blame but yourself.

Even more confounding are those who didn't vote for Trump but voted GOP.  I look at the people who live in Barbara Comstock's district and wonder just wtf those people were thinking.  Lots of feds and contractors, and not to mention many who would lose out with the new tax law once the cuts are phased out.  Clinton actually did well in that district, but they decided Comstock was going to represent their best interests?  Perhaps the cynical feds and contractors affiliated with DoD thought they'd get more opportunities?

Also, at the risk of going even more off tangent, calling him julius is a bit too flattering.  Caligula may be more apt ;)

I thought examiners work as examiners for many years, as it hard to go back to work for the private sector after working a few years as an examiner. What career paths/ jobs are available/suitable for examiners who decide to leave the PTO ?

I know a guy who is a former examiner who is tending a bar in Boston.

What is kind of scary is when an examiner can't hack it, and he has to come back as a contractor, doing things like teaching examiners how to use some new search engine. Kind of like the movie industry, where when the actors get too old, they become extras.

On another note, fewyearsin has got it right. Also, he once mentioned how he likes to suggest words in the claims to make them allowable. If you look at the examiners who have survived and possibly thrived for a long time, that is how they do it. The game of stringing out RCE's like fish on a fishline eventually catches up with the examiner. It is easy to spot on a production sheet, and eventually the examiner will find himself, well, tending a bar.

technically, the PTO collectively tends a bar, and our patrons are members of the bar, so the change in profession may not be as drastic ;)

 95 
 on: 02-14-18 at 01:34 pm 
Started by oxfordrama - Last post by oxfordrama
I don't want prosecution (at all), because I don't want to work so technically, or that often with engineers. If I did anything patent, I'd prefer litigation. Given the subject line, I'd like some advice, insight, anything, career related. I want to make lots of money and find a good fit for work. I appreciate it.

 96 
 on: 02-14-18 at 01:24 pm 
Started by JTripodo - Last post by abc123
I thought examiners work as examiners for many years, as it hard to go back to work for the private sector after working a few years as an examiner. What career paths/ jobs are available/suitable for examiners who decide to leave the PTO ?

I know a guy who is a former examiner who is tending a bar in Boston.

What is kind of scary is when an examiner can't hack it, and he has to come back as a contractor, doing things like teaching examiners how to use some new search engine. Kind of like the movie industry, where when the actors get too old, they become extras.

On another note, fewyearsin has got it right. Also, he once mentioned how he likes to suggest words in the claims to make them allowable. If you look at the examiners who have survived and possibly thrived for a long time, that is how they do it. The game of stringing out RCE's like fish on a fishline eventually catches up with the examiner. It is easy to spot on a production sheet, and eventually the examiner will find himself, well, tending a bar.

 97 
 on: 02-14-18 at 01:14 pm 
Started by JTripodo - Last post by lazyexaminer
Steelie has already said he works VOT and uses leave just to hit 95% production. He is clearly not the norm, and most people with such difficulty would have left long ago. I just hope new folks reading this board donít take his words as gospel.

 98 
 on: 02-14-18 at 01:09 pm 
Started by JTripodo - Last post by fewyearsin
"I would say about five times per year it can take me at least two days to find a reference."

You may want to consider the possibility that you're doing it all wrong.

Just saying.
First, the kinds of people that struggle at the PTO are likely the kind of people that would struggle anywhere.  Certain time-management and prioritization skills apply cross-discipline.  ALL professionals face regular deadline pressure.  Attorneys, for example, have NON-EXTENDABLE deadlines, unlike examiners who can just take a hit on their DM score, but otherwise are fine to blow deadlines.  Attorneys either have to pay extension fees out of their own pocket, or have to face possible malpractice claims (hint - career ending) for blowing a final deadline.  And what about Doctors?  Oh, I don't feel like operating today, why don't you come in tomorrow AFTER YOU DIE.  Yeah, lots of people have deadline pressure, that's called being a professional.  Comes with the territory.

Second, it is a bad idea to rely on RCEs to meet counts.  The way I was taught, and has served me well, is to always do work as though you have no RCEs coming in, and then when they do come in, they are just gravy, and if you've worked extra hours (which it sounds like you do), then you can claim OT and still meet production.  Win-win!  More money, and less volatility and stress.

 99 
 on: 02-14-18 at 01:03 pm 
Started by JTripodo - Last post by fewyearsin
In other news, the administration trots out its ransom note again:
Also, elimination of the FERS pension for anyone with less than 5 working years.

"Eliminate FERS contributions for Federal employees with fewer than five years of service. Instead, they would receive a lump sum benefit of contributions they have made to FERS and receive an additional 3 percentage points in automatic TSP contributions. This would make them eligible to receive up to 8 percent in total government contributions"
https://www.fedsmith.com/2018/02/09/changes-federal-employees-coming-workplace/
Which is an absolute ripoff for the Feds.  Take away a benefit worth about 10% of their salary, and give them an extra 3%, and tell them that it is all roughly equal.

But again we all know that it's a ruse to get rid of any competent government workers, so then they can say "hey, our government workers suck, let's hire all this work out to our contractor friends!"  So the end game is reduced services at astronomically higher prices.  Yay for average Joe taxpayer!

 100 
 on: 02-14-18 at 01:02 pm 
Started by JTripodo - Last post by ThomasPaine
If you're a federal employee and you voted for the repubtards and president orange julius, you got nobody to blame but yourself. 

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