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Author Topic: prosecution hypo: benefits  (Read 973 times)

TataBox

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prosecution hypo: benefits
« on: 09-08-08 at 09:55 am »

Have a question and I think I am missing something.

Client files application containing claims directed to a portion of the spec.  Has a good deal more in the spec. Is it advisable to file a preliminary amendment adding claims before the first OA or file divisionals off the original?

The filing fees of the divs are an issue, so a preliminary amendment seems the best way.  However, a preliminary amendment, I think is discretionary after 3 months from the filing date.  The original has not been taken up by the Examiner.

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Re: prosecution hypo: benefits
« Reply #1 on: 09-08-08 at 10:31 am »

Lets just assume that TOTAL claim count is 20 when all is said and done.  I realize that if over 20 in the initial app, costs $125.00 for each independent and $25.00 for each dependent or something like that.

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Re: prosecution hypo: benefits
« Reply #2 on: 09-08-08 at 12:04 pm »

I'd say a huge factor to consider is potential delay in waiting for a restriction requirement. 

It seems less so now, but not long ago, there were really long delays in the PTO.  If you don't receive your first restriction requirement until your application has been pending 5 years, that's a 5 year delay in FILING the divisionals.  If those application see similar delays, it might be 10 years out before you get a first Office Action on the merits for the subsequently filed divisionals.

If the unclaimed subject matter has value and particularly in having enforceable rights as soon as possible, I'd file the divisionals as soon as possible and not risk having the claims removed from consideration later.

If the unclaimed subject matter is nice to have but otherwise unimportant, perhaps a preliminary amendment is the way to go.  If the examiner doesn't accept it (I haven't had that happen), add it in after the first non-final rejection.

Like so many decisions, it comes down to cost-vs-benefit and a business's overall IP strategy.

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Re: prosecution hypo: benefits
« Reply #3 on: 09-08-08 at 05:00 pm »

Thanks Jim. 

1. I was under the impression that the Examiner would not allow adding a boat load of claims after a first office action or really consider them.  I have added 2-3 before and that has been fine, but 10+.  Are there any rules against this kind of thing?

2. When you say ""not risk having the claims removed from consideration later."  What exactly do you mean?

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Re: prosecution hypo: benefits
« Reply #4 on: 09-09-08 at 01:33 pm »

1. I was under the impression that the Examiner would not allow adding a boat load of claims after a first office action or really consider them.  I have added 2-3 before and that has been fine, but 10+.  Are there any rules against this kind of thing?

Not that I'm aware of.  While I haven't done it lately, I've added Beauregard and computer system claims in a preliminary amendment to an applicatin that had only method claims -- tripling the number of claims.  No problems.  However, the limitations were pretty nearly exactly what was already pending.  I've also filed applications with a single claim and filled in the rest by preliminary amendment -- going from 1 claim to over 20.  Still, no problems.

If that's no longer acceptable practice, I'm not aware of the change or rule that makes it so.

2. When you say ""not risk having the claims removed from consideration later."  What exactly do you mean?

Example.  In your first Office Action on the merits, suppose 5 years after originally filing, you get a restriction requirement.  You must elect claims directed to one invention, even if all your claims are really directed to one invention.  The rest of the claims will be removed from consideration -- they won't be examined.

Typically, the only way to get those claims examined is to file a divisional application.  It could wait another 5 years before being examined.  Theoretically, it would limit your term on the claims originally withheld from consideration to 10 years max.

In some arts, I've heard of 100-way restrictions meaning that the examiner asserts that there are 100 separate inventions in the application.  I've only heard of it in chemical/biotech arts -- often using S 112, p 6 to find numerous separate inventions in a single claim.  Imagine having only 1% of you claim coverage examined and having the other 99% deferred by years!

I hope that makes sense...

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