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[bald & chained]

I have not gone in-house yet, so take what  I say with a grain of salt, but I think options A and C are much more likely to get you in-house.  I am sure that there are people who go in-house directly from the PTO, but I think it would be much easier to do so from the firm.  For example, from what I've seen at my firm, the easiest way to go in-house is to go work for the client.  I'd think that a corporation would go for someone who took option B over options A/C  only if they couldn't get anyone else with firm training, needed fresh bodies and were willing to train internally.

[horsechute]

I think my side saddle partner has it right on this one, options A and C sound best. I cannot weigh in on the law school tuition being cut, since I (thankfully) hung up my examining eye shade and accompanying bottle of pepto-bismol several years ago, but I would not doubt it if they cut the program a bit, since we were situated with similar circumstances (impending recession, lots of applicants for examiner positions, budgetary problems) about seven years ago, and they did eliminate it for a while, and history has a way of repeating itself. Last time they suspended the program, it left people who had started out going to expensive schools thinking they were going to get a free ride all of the sudden left in the lurch and having to take out loans. Not that it was a big deal in the long run, since they are now making the long lettuce in law firms as patent lawyers, but you should think about this it if that is one of the things that attracted to to work at the PTO. If you already work there, you might as a POPA rep what they think.
Best of luck whatever way you go. If you have any questions, TS and I are hear to answer them for you.
HC

[somedude]

Thanks horsechute and tech_spec for your answers.

I've asked around, and the reimbursement program is rumored to be on the cutting block, but nothing has been substantiated thus far.  Although, if they're hiring 1200 new examiners a year until 2013, I can't imagine budgetary problems being that large.

[horsechute]

Wait and see. They are always projected to hire ten factorial examiners and reduce the sometimes 5 year filing date backlog, but either it never happens, or the water leaving the cup must be greater than that going in, because in the art for which I write most of my applications, the backlog is about 5 years and only increasing as far as I can tell. My guess is we will hit a recession, hiring will freeze, and they will suspend the program for a while. Then, the economy will rebound, people will start to head for the exit doors again, John Dudas, if he is still there, will once again put on his bright smile and say what a fine job everyone is doing, and they will reinstate the program. At least that is the way it happened in the past. This scenario could be either good or bad for you, depending on if you are already working there or not.

HC

[PE13]

After hear you guys said some many things bad about examiner

I am just not sure if i am still should stay in my job
there is just a few things that i would like to ask

How about retirement, i know many of you maybe young, just like me
How about pension, 40 years later

I know being a partner can make you tons money
How many $$ you gonna make when u become a partner
How many of you can be a partner

They say money comes with hours
How many hours are you working per day

I am just not sure if that is worth to get in the firm at 8 and leave at 9?

Let me know
Maybe i will quit my examiner job and maybe go to the firm



   
   
 

[vman11]

God above, hang on to that examiner position, whoever you paid to get in did a fantastic job.

With that kind of English you wouldn't get a job waiting tables at a restaurant (and that's coming from a non-native English speaker). About partnering at a firm, yeah well, I guess if you pay somebody enough again for the job like you did to get that examiner's job ...

[DogDayPM 9er9er9er]

God above, hang on to that examiner position....With that kind of English you wouldn't get a job waiting tables at a restaurant (and that's coming from a non-native English speaker).

Aw, c'mon, (v)man; it's better English than I get in most Office Actions...

. . . and sadly, I'm at least halfway serious.

[PE13]

Mr.V
Looks like you got pissed off because of my English...

You must work really hard maybe from 8- 12 everyday, including weekends
and got shout by client and boss, neither your clients or boss favors you

Maybe just because you have been recently receiving so many finals from me
And also lose the appeal in order to get so stressed out...
Therefore, none of my question that you are competent to answer
and just remember attacking my english.

Do i assumed correct?
Yeah, I am non-native speaker
You feel superior then me just because I am a non-native speaker??


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God above, hang on to that examiner position, whoever you paid to get in did a fantastic job.

With that kind of English you wouldn't get a job waiting tables at a restaurant (and that's coming from a non-native English speaker). About partnering at a firm, yeah well, I guess if you pay somebody enough again for the job like you did to get that examiner's job ...

[vman11]

Although, if they're hiring 1200 new examiners a year until 2013, I can't imagine budgetary problems being that large.

Really? I happened to run into a bureaucrat at the USPTO a few weeks ago and last I heard was that the hiring freeze is still in effect.

Budgetary problems might be passe'. You guys hear about the USPTO proposal that applicants should 'elect' 10 claims per application for review? Essentially resulting in a god damn headache if you've got more claims  than 10 in an application and which probably means that 5 applications would need to be filed instead of 1 (creatively encompassing different inventions). Thereby greatly bolstering the revenue stream.

[vman11]

Do i assumed correct?
Yeah, I am non-native speaker
You feel superior then me just because I am a non-native speaker??

You moron, I am a non-native English speaker too and your language is pathetic for a 3rd grader in any English class in any country.

There's got to be some sort of IQ/ quality test to get the examiner's job, interviews ... something. But, apparently not.

I haven't received "so many finals from you" yet, because I haven't yet run into incompetent buffoons like you during prosecution yet (touch wood).

[vman11]

Ian (PE13) aside ...

He'll need it when trying to justify all those final actions he sent out.

Funny you should mention this. This bureaucrat (who was a primary examiner once upon a time) mentioned that there is an unfortunate practice of dinging (basically people start reviewing your work, VERY carefully) examiners who allow applications (even if they are justified in allowing them) and not ones that don't issue allowances at all. Not sure how true this is.

Told me this unfortunate story about a primary examiner friend who got put under the magnifying glass for issuing a few allowances in succession, after which this primary examiner just stopped issuing allowances, wasn't worth the headache. Nobody's subjected her to that kind of scrutiny again.

In other words, it seems like a PE13 can happily pepper people with his/her "so many final rejections" and the PTO doesn't really care. Of course, you can always add to the PTO's revenue, file a continuation / RCE or appeal.

[bald & chained]

Do i assumed correct?
Yeah, I am non-native speaker
You feel superior then me just because I am a non-native speaker??

¿Como? Creo que tu erres un troll.  Pero si no, mi Espanol es mejor que tu Ingles.  Y, asombrosamente, yo no soy un empleado del Oficina Española de Patentes y Marcas.

[stuffball]

After hear you guys said some many things bad about examiner

I am just not sure if i am still should stay in my job
there is just a few things that i would like to ask

How about retirement, i know many of you maybe young, just like me
How about pension, 40 years later

I know being a partner can make you tons money
How many $$ you gonna make when u become a partner
How many of you can be a partner

They say money comes with hours
How many hours are you working per day

I am just not sure if that is worth to get in the firm at 8 and leave at 9?

Let me know
Maybe i will quit my examiner job and maybe go to the firm



   
   
 

You guys missed it.  All his posts are haiku.

[horsechute]

That
 
Was pretty funny,

My friend.

   

[petethebody]

You guys missed it.  All his posts are haiku.

Whoa.  That just blew my mind!