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Author Topic: Patent Bar Exam training  (Read 3944 times)

supranets

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Patent Bar Exam training
« on: 04-30-04 at 02:59 pm »

I have found several training courses for the patent bar exam.  Does anyone have opinions on any of these programs?

1. Patent Resources Group (PRG) - (Kayton)   http://www.patentresources.com/index.html $2590 (6 day course or video program)

2. PLI Patent Bar Review  (White)  http://www.patentbarreview.com/  
    - 5 day course + home study (video/cds)   $3442
   - home study only  $2295

3. Patent Education Series - IPE   http://www.patenteducationseries.com/  
-      Home study (On-line course, guidebook, PTO Exam Simulator $597

4, BarBri Bar Review - http://www.barbri.com/   week course or home study  $2395

Thanks
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neen

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Re: Patent Bar Exam training
« Reply #1 on: 05-19-04 at 12:54 pm »

As far as I understand from others that have taken the test the best practice for the patent bar is to study the old exams.
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« Reply #2 on: 04-30-06 at 09:02 pm »

I bought the PLI home study course (new) and passed on the first try.  Knowing what I know now, my suggestions are as follows:

1. If you have ZERO patent knowledge (my case), buy the PLI home study kit used on eBay and save yourself some dough.  Make sure to get the latest version of the MPEP <-- very important.  Also, if you take the exam and pass within a few months, the MPEP is still current, which means you can turn right around and resell your study materials on eBay, allowing you to recoup most of your money. The kit is good b/c it lays a good foundation of basic patent knowledge.  It is pretty overwhelming to go from 0 to 60 patent knowledge-wise, and the study materials REALLY make it easier.  BUT this is ONLY helpful if you dont have basic MPEP knowledge. Otherwise, waste of money.

2. If you don't want to shell out money for a whole kit, just buy the latest version of the MPEP and a exam simulator software a la carte, available from different vendors, including PLI.  The software has past exam questions on it, and it simulates "actual" exam setting.  It helps you get familiar w/ the types of questions.  I would not have passed w/o the simulator, that is all I used to study for the final week leading up to my exam.

Hope this helps!
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Re: Patent Bar Exam training
« Reply #3 on: 05-01-06 at 06:36 am »

I have to disagree with Hello, you don't want to study off the latest version of the MPEP, you want to study off of the MPEP that is used on the exam. I studied off of 8r4 of the MPEP and the test used 8r2. I passed the exam regardless, but I did loose some time finding stuff that was in a slightly different place in the different version. For instance, in chapter 700 of r4, the PCT flow charts are on page 40. In r2, they are on an earlier page.

Oh, and I'll through in my 2 cents and say Jim Longacre's course it pretty good, and reasonably priced.
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Re: Patent Bar Exam training
« Reply #4 on: 05-01-06 at 07:30 am »

I would agree that Longacre is the way to go.  The course is well priced and points out the important sections of the MPEP.  I used it and passed on the first try.  I think that it would be hard to navigate the MPEP without a guide.  
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Re: Patent Bar Exam training
« Reply #5 on: 05-02-06 at 03:52 pm »

Patbar has requested that all references to their services be removed.
« Last Edit: 10-01-08 at 11:24 pm by Forum Admin »
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John L.

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Re: Patent Bar Exam training
« Reply #6 on: 05-09-06 at 06:14 am »

Did anyone try "Patent Education Series" ? It seems to have the best price, but I can't find any reviews.

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« Reply #7 on: 05-09-06 at 09:08 am »

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Did anyone try "Patent Education Series" ? It seems to have the best price, but I can't find any reviews.




I used their exam simulator software, which you can purchase individually, during the early phase of studying.  The software covered the last six issued paper exams, however, the explanations for the answers were the same as the ones you can download off the USPTO website for free.  The best feature of the software was that it grouped the exam questions into categories and you could just review questions by category.  The downside is that it is nothing like to actual exam in terms of functionality, for example, you cannot mark a question and later go back to review it.  Depending on where you are in your studying, this software may help.

During my later phase of studying, I used Upstart Raising's exam simulator (http://www.catprep.com/exams/patent-bar/index.html), very cheap and identical, in terms of functionality, to the actual exam.  


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Re: Patent Bar Exam training
« Reply #8 on: 05-11-06 at 09:06 am »

Well, here's a farthing's worth from one who just blew it

on Tues (for various reasons, including health).  

Everyone has different approaches and skills of course,

but here's my perspective looking backwards.  I'm a

physicist and have zippo background in patents or law.  


(1) There is a thread under the heading "New Patent Bar

Online Exam - Prometric".  It has a wealth of info about

experiences from a zillion people.  Two BIG CAVEATS:

(a) It's a looong thread, currently 69 pages.  Much of

the topics are jumbled and either overlap or repeat other

threads (such as this one).  Hard to navigate.

(b) It's an old thread, going back to July 2004, when the

computer version was just coming on board.  Some of the

material is out of date.  Some was dead wrong.  Skip the

ones that lead off, "I understand that..." or "I have

heard that..."  That means they don't really know.

(2) Wolfcastle is absolutely correct about the version of

MPEP to use.  You use the version that the test is based

on, which is specified on the official OED website. The

test is still based on r2, but the latest is r4.  You

don't need to shell out bucks for the manual unless you

want to buy the printed one.  They are free for download

in PDF.  You need a high-speed connection; the single

file version is ~24 M. Just checked the OED page, they

have only r4 available now, but other sites have r2.  Try

out a couple of sites; the configurations vary, some are

better than others.  If you have a decent monitor, I

recommend that you **not** use the paper version unless

you want to pump up your biceps.  It's the size of a

hefty phonebook; the one I have is ~3" thick.  Also the

font size varies from 10 pt down to 6 pt.  With the PDF

version, you can Zoom In as needed.  And you can use the

Adobe "Find" function.  See other threads about Adobe 5

vs 7, and "Find" vs "Search", and multi files vs single

file.

(3) OED gives 90 days warning that they will change to

the next version.  Keep an eye on the website.  You don't

want to be the first guinea pig, sort of like being the

first to buy the next version of Windows.  I get e-mail

now and then from one of the exam prep companies.  One

stated that the next version will be r3 and there will be

major changes.  Note: Unless this is confirmed by OED, I

put it in the category of "I don't really don't know for

sure..." Best advice:  Don't delay.

(4) One guy wrote that he had no patent background,

simply read through the MPEP, did old exams, and passed

the first round. So there is at least one existence proof

that it's doable. I think it's rare; otherwise people

wouldn't be shelling out $$ for prep courses.  But again,

I don't have any stats so this is an unsubstantiated

statement on my part.

(5) I too have been working with Longacre.  There are a

number of posts, so I won't go over my views, with the

exception of two BIG CAVEATS.  (a) At the very beginning

of his lectures, he states that you can get by with his

videos and study guide.  You can look over the MPEP if

you wish, but it's not really necessary <with some

exceptions>.  My experience is that this is not true.  

Once you get to the old exams, you will find that you

must read sections (not all) of the MPEP.  There are way

too much minutia that are not covered in the videos and

study guides.  (b) He also hates the computerized MPEP

and says not to rely on it.  I (and others) have found it

essential to develop proficiency in searching the MPEP

quickly.  I realized all this too late in the game.  For

my next go around I'm spending more time reading select

sections of the MPEP in entirety, and getting practice

with lookups.

(6)  Going over old exams are essential.  But again two

BIG CAVEATS. (a) Last time PTO published exams was Oct

2003.  We now have a 2+ yr gap in practice exams. (b)

From other threads, you will note that sections that were

not heavily tested in the past now are (especially PCT).  

This creates problems for all the prep companies (and

test takers!), which depend heavily on old exam

questions.


(7) The Innovita disk (see separate thread on some

problems) reproduces the actual test real close, except

for the MPEP lookup function. Check the Thomson

Prometrics website (mentioned in other threads and on the

OED site) to preview the actual MPEP lookup function.  

The disk has a great version of MPEP r2 bundled with it.  

On the simulated tests,you can mark questions, and it has

a countdown timer.

At the end it'll spit out the score and give you a tally

sheet of the ones you got wrong.  It also calculates the

avg time per question, BUT I haven't directly verified

that this works correctly.  There is a "Show Answer"

function for each question that's really handy.  From

looking at different simulators, looks like several are

just repackaged from a common one.  Each package has it's

+/-.  But again, this falls into the category of an

unsubstantiated "I think so...".  


Have fun!
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JohnL

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Re: Patent Bar Exam training
« Reply #9 on: 05-12-06 at 10:23 am »

Hmm.. just received the "patent education series" materials.  The booklets don't seem too good. Very rough outlines with rules intermingled throughout. Is this the way the other courses look? I haven't listened to the audio yet, but I'm seriously considering sending it back after reading through some of the booklet last night.
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JohnL

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« Reply #10 on: 05-12-06 at 10:25 am »

Hmm.. just received the "patent education series" materials.  The booklets don't seem too good. Very rough outlines with rules intermingled throughout. Is this the way the other courses look? I haven't listened to the audio yet, but after reading through the booklet, I'm seriously considering sending it back.
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« Reply #11 on: 05-12-06 at 11:04 am »

I'm a science nerd with no legal training and yet managed to pass the 1st time.  Here is a chronological list of what I did:

1. read & highlighted Longacre's study guide and listened to his audio tapes (3 months, nights only)

2. re-read the study guide and took notes on details that I didn't get 1st time through (1 week)

3. took all practice test available in paper format (2 weeks)

4. went back to all question I got wrong or got right but were unsure of and looked up the reasoning behind the correct and incorrect responses (1 week)

5. Repeated all tests that were avaiable online (http://www.catprep.com/exams/patent-bar/) to get my timing down and to stimulate the computer based test (1 week)

6. made flash cards of dates and other points I had trouble with using StoreLaw Flashcards 3.0 (last month, overlapping with steps 3-5

7. read the ENTIRE "New Patent Bar Online Exam - Prometric" thread for tips

Good luck.  It is doable.
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