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Author Topic: idea -> reality?  (Read 1317 times)

new2all

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idea -> reality?
« on: 08-12-05 at 01:53 am »

 Hello

I have been thinking of an idea and need some help.


My idea is pretty simple. There are two big corporations (A & cool.gif and I believe if the product (which is an electromechanical device from company A) is allowed to use the features from company B, the final value of the product will be revolutionary.

To make this come true, the product from company A will have to undergo some hardware and software enhancements. which I will undertake.

Now, this I what I want help on.

Since both these corporations are huge, what is a good way to approach these company(s)?

1) Should I work on the product from company A, get it patented under my name and show company A or/and B the results..?

2) While working on the product do I have to let the company(s) know.?

Any help/suggesstion ...
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« Reply #1 on: 08-12-05 at 08:28 am »

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1) Should I work on the product from company A, get it patented under my name and show company A or/and B the results..?


Sure, that's one way.  I think I outlined three basic approaches here:
http://www.isrlaw.com/inventorFAQ.html

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2) While working on the product do I have to let the company(s) know.?

No.

Good luck.
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« Reply #2 on: 08-12-05 at 07:48 pm »

thank you for your reply JimIvey.

I read the article and was quite helpful. I have a few more things to ask...

as i said the product to be modified is from company A. But you see there are other big corporations which also make similar products. (e.g C , D , E ).

Is it O.K if my final product is from company A, and shown and displayed to company(s) C , D & E ..?
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« Reply #3 on: 08-13-05 at 05:28 am »

Question for new2all:  This product from “A” - do you own it outright?  If you only have a license to use the product – like much software or a rental car – it’s likely that there are restrictions on how you can use or modify the product.
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« Reply #4 on: 08-13-05 at 08:56 am »

Thank you replying " Richard Tanzer "

Yes I do own the product from company "A" .

Its a consumer product which can be purchased from any retail store like WalMart or Target.

There is another thing I would like help on.

The product to be modified for revision on which I can claim my patent for, requires an extensive set of hardware and software, which I believe I can raise the funds for.

BUT

IF I am unable to raise the funds or hardware, should I go ahead and apply for the patent WITHOUT a prototype and then approach the company(s) to evaluate my idea on their product.?
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« Reply #5 on: 08-13-05 at 06:16 pm »

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IF I am unable to raise the funds or hardware, should I go ahead and apply for the patent WITHOUT a prototype and then approach the company(s) to evaluate my idea on their product.?

Should you?  Hard to say.  Can you?  Yes.  You don't need a prototype to file a patent application and to ultimately get a patent.

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« Reply #6 on: 08-14-05 at 12:22 am »

thanks for the reply.

can you suggest me on this too..

I read about PPA - Provisional Application for Patent
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/provapp.htm

and found it to be a safeguard towards ones idea, but here is the thing..

I searched the USPTO patent database to see if there is a patent already filed for the idea i have, and got a bunch of patent that matched my search query

they might be relatively close to my idea But none of them state exactly what i intend to do.

1) Are the "wordings" "diagrams" etc very important in an patent.?

2) What do I need to do in oreder to get "prior art" approval from another patent?

3) If i do get an approval from the "prior art" patent holder  to use his idea, do i get full ownership on the patent and idea i develop?

I would like to enhance my question using an example.

The basic application of a TV is to display a moving image and sound. There are plenty of companies who make television sets.

Do they all have a different patent for each make/model .?

In future if I intend to add a new feature to an existing TV set by a company(s), does the final TV set have my patent on it?

thanks for all the help.

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« Reply #7 on: 08-15-05 at 10:41 am »

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I read about PPA - Provisional Application for Patent
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/provapp.htm

and found it to be a safeguard towards ones idea, but here is the thing..

Provisional applications don't safeguard anything, in and of themselves.  In my opinion, they are the most misunderstood and misused feature of US patent law.  

Provisional applications are not an alternative to a regular patent application -- they are strictly a strategic option.   Don't use them unless you know what you're doing.

http://www.isrlaw.com/provFAQ.html

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I searched the USPTO patent database to see if there is a patent already filed for the idea i have, and got a bunch of patent that matched my search query

they might be relatively close to my idea But none of them state exactly what i intend to do.

1) Are the "wordings" "diagrams" etc very important in an patent.?

Yes.

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2) What do I need to do in oreder to get "prior art" approval from another patent?

It depends on what you mean by "'prior art' approval."   If you mean some adjudication that your patent meets the requirements of law despite the existence of the prior art, that happens in due course of examination.  Don't forget to cite the references you found to the examiner when you file your application -- Information Disclosure Statement.

If you mean permission to practice inventions recited in other patents, you need the permission of every patent owner whose patent covers what you want to do as long as the patent is still in force.

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3) If i do get an approval from the "prior art" patent holder  to use his idea, do i get full ownership on the patent and idea i develop?

Approval/permission is a matter of contracts.  You get exactly what you negotiate for and what the patent holder gives you.  It doesn't necessarily include ownership, but can.

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I would like to enhance my question using an example.

The basic application of a TV is to display a moving image and sound. There are plenty of companies who make television sets.

Do they all have a different patent for each make/model .?

There's no requirement that they have patents for anything.  Most likely, they'll have patents for each and every valuable innovation in each model.  Since some innovations are implemented in various models, many of the patents will cover multiple models.  So, each model is probably covered by many patents and each patent probably covers many models.

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In future if I intend to add a new feature to an existing TV set by a company(s), does the final TV set have my patent on it?

I don't think I understand this question.  If you're asking about whether your patent would cover a TV incorporating your new feature, that depends on a lot of things -- primarily what your patent covers.  Your patent -- assuming you're able to get one -- will declare (claim) what it covers, and you will decide what that language looks like -- either directly or indirectly through a practitioner working for you.  Your patent will cover pretty much exactly what it says it covers.  If someone can implement your new feature without making, using, or selling something that is described by at least one valid claim of your patent, then they won't infringe.

I hope that helps.
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