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Author Topic: Is getting a Copyright what's best for me?  (Read 857 times)

ironxage

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Is getting a Copyright what's best for me?
« on: 10-02-11 at 08:51 pm »

Basically I'm In the starting stages of what (I would hope to be) A pretty big social website. I just want to hear some opinions on what intellectual property protection I should pursue trying to obtain.

I guess what i'm really confused about is what will protect my entire idea when presenting it to potential investors or giving a sneak peak of my site to the public or bringing in new people to help me with my project.

any input will be greatly appreciated, thank you!
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Re: Is getting a Copyright what's best for me?
« Reply #1 on: 10-02-11 at 11:16 pm »

Copyright does not protect ideas.

When dealing with partners, developers, and potential investors, your best protection may be contractual...  i.e. non-disclosure and non-compete agreements.

 

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Re: Is getting a Copyright what's best for me?
« Reply #2 on: 10-03-11 at 08:04 am »

Copyright does not protect ideas.

When dealing with partners, developers, and potential investors, your best protection may be contractual...  i.e. non-disclosure and non-compete agreements.

 

Oh ok thank you I was wondering about them also, Can i type them up myself or Do I need to contact a lawyer? thanks again!
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Re: Is getting a Copyright what's best for me?
« Reply #3 on: 10-03-11 at 08:38 am »

There are sample contracts online, and you can also buy books of business standard contracts from places like Nolo Press.  However, I think it's best to get a consultation with a lawyer who can discuss your needs and draft agreements to meet your needs.

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Re: Is getting a Copyright what's best for me?
« Reply #4 on: 10-03-11 at 09:07 am »

Oh wow, I will start looking into that right now, thank you so much for the help!
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Re: Is getting a Copyright what's best for me?
« Reply #5 on: 10-17-11 at 03:29 pm »

Regarding IP issues to consider:

Copyright:
Don't dismiss the thought of using copyright to help protect the website.  While Artchain is quite correct that copyright won't protect ideas, it does protect how those ideas are expressed--the actual words you write, artwork you may use on the site, etc.  So if you have protectable content that you (as opposed to your users) create, you will want to consider marking those as copyrighted.  Also, know that your copyright attaches to your work as soon as it's "fixed in a tangible medium of expression," even if you don't register the copyright, although you would need that registration if you ever had to sue to enforce your copyright. 

Additionally, if this is a social network, you'll need to give some thought as to how to protect your users and, equally important, yourself from suits by your users, who might be upset if third parties misuse what the users have posted.  You'll need to give some good thought to this both from the technical side and from the legal side.  One of the things I believe Facebook does, e.g., is to make sure that everyone who is a user grants them an unlimited license to display any photo they post, and the license lasts for whatever length of time that photo remains up on Facebook--not just for however long the posting user keeps it up, but for however long ANYONE keeps it up on Facebook.  Lots of things to think through here vis a vis privacy and copyright.

Trademark:
Also, assuming you are using your site name or a logo (or both) as a brand for your social network service, you'll want to look into trademark protection.  The first step in that, however, is checking to make sure the name and/or logo you've chosen doesn't infringe on anyone else's name or logo.  Just because you're cleared for a domain name (or for a business name with your state, for that matter), does NOT mean you're free to use that name in a way that works as a trademark.  If someone else already has similar mark, your use could be infringing even if you've paid for the domain and have your business name registered. 

The standard for infringement is "likelihood of confusion", the idea being that you shouldn't be confusing customers into thinking your service comes from some other business with a similar name or logo, or that you're somehow associated with the other business.  (Similarly, from the business perspective, you shouldn't be profiting off the good will someone else has developed in the trademark for their business by bringing in their customers who confuse you for them.)   When choosing a business name or logo, check to ensure you're clear to use it before investing in it--whether that be buying a domain or registering the business with your state or paying an artist to work up your name and logo into a screen display. 

And check more than just the registered marks at the PTO, since in the US a trademark exists by virtue of someone using the trademark as a trademark.  Google the name along with spelling variations and similar sounding words -- remembering that the standard is that there be any "likelihood of confusion," not that the marks be identical. 

When you have a name that you believe is clear, depending on how much money you have and are planning to invest in the site, you will probably want to get your conclusion confirmed by having a trademark attorney do an analysis of the mark, bringing to bear his or her experience with how courts have interpreted "confusion".  But doing your own investigation first, will help.  Note that the attorney will not likely give you a definitive yes or no as to whether the mark is clear since these things are a matter of judgment on a sliding scale.  (If the attorney is discouraging you, however, take the hint.)  If the way does seem clear for your proposed mark, and you can afford it, you may want the additional protection of federal registration. 

Good luck.
« Last Edit: 10-17-11 at 03:50 pm by Kaitlin »
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Re: Is getting a Copyright what's best for me?
« Reply #6 on: 10-18-11 at 03:32 pm »

thank you for such a detailed reply, see I'm just kind of stuck with what i should do basically, I have the domain and logo and all but i kind of wanted to put up a teaser video of what the website will be, so i guess even with a copyright that's not a good idea on my end right?
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Re: Is getting a Copyright what's best for me?
« Reply #7 on: 10-19-11 at 09:05 am »

You say you have "the domain and logo and all," but have you checked to see whether or not either of them might infringe on existing trademarks?  Having them isn't the same as having the (trademark) right to them. 

Also, something to consider which hasn't been mentioned yet is copyright of computer source code.  If part of your site uses software you've developed, you may have rights in how you've expressed your ideas in the source code.  Check these links for information on registering source code and an example of a claimed source code infringement situation:  http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ61.pdf. and http://www.geek.com/articles/news/skype-founders-sue-ebay-over-source-code-copyright-violations-20090917/ .

As for the video, I'm puzzled that you feel a "teaser" video would reveal too much of your idea.  Teasers are meant to "tease," they don't reveal much about what the product is or will do.  If you're just talking about advanced publicity for the site, however, then that's really a marketing matter --the timing of when you let your ideas loose on the market.  But whatever is revealed in a promo ad will no doubt be revealed by the service itself, which may delay the competition's chance to imitate, but won't stop them from doing so eventually--to the extent they're allowed to do so (or are willing to violate the law). 

Basically, while the overall idea of how a website functions may not be protectable, the specific underlying means to that functionality may be.  Specific source code developed for it may be protected by copyright and, less likely but not inconceivably, certain aspects may be susceptible of patent protection, e.g.  Check in the patent forum to see what sorts of aspects of websites may be eligible for patent protection.  Also, the way the site looks and text placed upon it may be protectable by copyright.
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Re: Is getting a Copyright what's best for me?
« Reply #8 on: 10-19-11 at 09:24 am »

As Kaitlin says, before promoting your logo and domain,  you should check for trademark conflicts.  This is very important to do BEFORE you invest a lot.

As I mentioned, you can protect your ideas when talking to potential investors and partners by getting signed NDAs.  (But be aware that very few VCs will sign NDAs.)

It's worth a consultation with an IP attorney to see if there are aspects of your idea that could qualify for patent protection.  Patents carry weight with investors, as well as providing some real protection.

But I must say that, from the standpoint of a few decades in the tech industry, most people worry far too much about someone copying their idea.  In almost every market, there are several competitors.  Sometimes VCs even invest in directly competing startups.  Your chances of building a successful business are based about 10% on your "idea," and 90% on your team and your ability to execute. 



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