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Author Topic: Re: Getting protection for a new design.  (Read 771 times)

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Re: Getting protection for a new design.
« on: 09-27-11 at 01:07 pm »

Well, you really ought to ask in the Copyright Forum.

Bad news:  Yes, you need a separate copyright for each.

Good news:  You get a copyright by merely writing each.  If you write something novel, you have a copyright in that writing by default.

Caveat:  It's better if you mark the writing with a copyright notice -- at least the circle-C.

Caveat 2:  There are benefits to registering your copyrights(s).  Fortunately, copyrights are much, much less expensive than patents.

Caveat 3:  The shorter your writing is, the less likely it will be "original" and less likely you'll be able to get a copyright on it.

Another possibility:  Many of the slogans on wrist bands are actually trade marks.  For example, "Live Strong" is Lance Armstrong's foundation's trademark.  So, to the extent you want the writings on the wrist bands to be associated with goods or services you provide, trademarks would work, too.

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Re: Getting a [s]patent[/s] for a new design.
« Reply #1 on: 09-27-11 at 01:45 pm »

I am fairly certain that the phrases I will be using are not copyrighted already. I searched them up...

Is there a ball park estimate for how much it would cost for me to copyright a two word phrase?

Would it be worth it for me to copyright these phrases?

I plan on getting a trademark for my wrist bands and creating my own brand...if I do this would it make any difference on whether or not I should copyright the phrases?


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Re: Getting a [s]patent[/s] for a new design.
« Reply #2 on: 09-27-11 at 03:11 pm »

Hold it, time out.  I think you missed Jim's point.  It's extremely unlikely you can claim a copyright in a two word phrase--in fact, I'd be surprised to hear of any case where that has succeeded.  If you're thinking of protecting the design on the bands as a whole with the words as part of the design, that's another matter.  But copyright sounds like the wrong area of IP if your main concern is the two words.

Let me give you a couple of "furrinstances":

1) Suppose you saw someone else use those two words in that order in a magazine.  Would you want to try to stop them (with a claim of copyright infringement, assuming you could)?  I'm thinking probably not.

2) By contrast, suppose you saw someone use a phrase that meant the same thing as yours, or sounded or looked like yours, and they were putting the phrase on a wrist band, like you do.  Would you be OK with that because they hadn't actually copied your two word phrase?  Or would you want to stop them because people might think their bands were your bands and some of your business would be diverted away?

The first situation concerns copyright.  The second sounds more like trademark.

The good thing about trademarks in the US is that not only do you not need to register them for them to exist, but they can last forever provided you keep using them.  To have a trademark, all you have to do is use a phrase or logo as a way of marking your product so that people know the product comes from a single source, and sell the marked products in a market where you don't infringe on anyone else's trademark.  Registration gets you broader rights, but the trademark exists by virtue of its use.  (For federal registration you need to use the mark in interstate commerce--so there's federal jurisdiction, natch.)
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Re: Getting a [s]patent[/s] for a new design.
« Reply #3 on: 09-27-11 at 03:19 pm »

That makes sense Kaitlin. I wasn't expecting that it'd be rational to get a two word phrase copyrighted. So what i am looking for is a trademark, and with this trademark, when people would buy these wrist bands they would know what is a knock off wrist band and what is a legit wrist band by the trade mark that is on them...

So all I really need is a trademark is what I am gathering from this...

Thank you so much for the help...any other helpful comments will be much appreciated :D
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Re: Getting a [s]patent[/s] for a new design.
« Reply #4 on: 09-27-11 at 03:32 pm »

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...

One caveat:  If you're more using the wrist bands to promote the phrase itself, rather than using the phrase as a brand for the wrist bands, then the protection of the phrase as a trademark gets a bit murkier.  I'm not up on that area, but my spidey-sense tells me it's one in which to proceed with caution.  Try searching the trademark forum for discussions about slogans on T-shirts, if that seems to be a comparable situation to yours. 
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Re: Getting a [s]patent[/s] for a new design.
« Reply #5 on: 09-27-11 at 03:46 pm »

I plan on making a trademark, then making bands with certain phrases on them...it will be a large variety of phrases...so copyrighting them would be too much...so like the way im picturing it...the trademark will be on the bottom and the different phrases will be on the top.

Thanks for the help Kaitlin, do you understand now more towards what I am getting at?
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