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Author Topic: Question about a trademark issue.  (Read 777 times)

jbh142

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Question about a trademark issue.
« on: 07-19-11 at 01:59 pm »

OK I am going to change this until I can ask my question with out revealing the actual names..

Thankyou everyone for the help..
« Last Edit: 07-19-11 at 11:37 pm by jbh142 »
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Re: Question about a trademark issue.
« Reply #1 on: 07-19-11 at 02:01 pm »

Please do not post actual trademarks when discussing potential litigation, etc.  You should go back and edit your post to remove the marks.

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Re: Question about a trademark issue.
« Reply #2 on: 07-19-11 at 02:05 pm »

I took the full name out of both companys.. Will that be enough? I just left the words in question.
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Re: Question about a trademark issue.
« Reply #3 on: 07-19-11 at 09:18 pm »

What you want to do is find a couple of other names which roughly approximate the closeness of the similarities at issue, but without actually using any part of the real names.  (Similarly you should avoid any reference to the real goods or services.)

The problem is that it will be very easy for your opponent to find this discussion on the internet, just by searching their own name in combination with the part of the name which you have the dispute over.  Should your opponent (or his attorneys) find this thread and figure out who you are, if this ends up in litigation they will be able to put into evidence against you anything you say which either 1) goes against your interest or 2) can be twisted to sound like it goes against your interest.  Also, if you end up hiring an attorney to represent you, anything you have disclosed in public that can be identified as coming from you will not be able to come under the attorney-client privilege. 

Remember, even if you're sitting alone in front of the computer, what you write in a public forum is going out to the whole world.
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Re: Question about a trademark issue.
« Reply #4 on: 07-20-11 at 08:33 am »

Getting to the core of your question...  I don't think the specifics really matter.

You got a letter from another company claiming that you are infringing on their trademark, and demanding that you stop.  You want to know what you should do. 

You're probably not going to get a definitive answer here.  I recommend that you get an consultation with an IP attorney.

You can get a referral through your local bar association. 

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Re: Question about a trademark issue.
« Reply #5 on: 07-20-11 at 04:21 pm »

While questions of infringement -- and definitely responding to a C&D letter -- are best addressed through counsel, it can be helpful for laypeople to have some idea of what's at issue before (or concurrent with) seeing their attorney.  The ignorance about trademarks, not only among laymen but also among our brothers and sisters of the bar who don't practice in this area, can be astounding.  So a forum like this can be very useful to help orient the layman to some of the complexities involved.

Some general information which the OP might find useful, e.g., is that the question will come down to whether or not there is a likelihood of confusion (in the market) between the earlier mark and the later mark.  In assessing this, courts and the PTO look to not only what the names actually say but the "total commercial impression" of the marks.  They don't have to be identical.  Sound, meaning, look, can all come into play.

Also, the proximity of the goods is considered -- e.g., do they tend to run in the same channels of trade? Is one used for expensive goods where people usually take their time and think a lot about the purchase or is it some small item people buy on the fly? How likely are people to think the goods of one come from the same source as the goods of the other?  One favorite example is DELTA for airlines and DELTA for faucets.  Same exact name, but two different companies use it as their marks, without problem.  Reason? Not likely people will think that the same company is in airlines and plumbing.

Then there's who has priority.  The priority of the first mark depends on who USED the mark first, unless one of them has an ITU (intent to use) registration with the PTO, in which case they get "dibs" dating back to when they put in their application with the PTO. 


So, e.g., if someone has a mark HANKERIN' for men's soap and someone else wants to use HANKY for women's toiletries, one could look at the fact that the names contain the same initial sound and look, "HANK...", and the senior user might complain that since the products all have to do with grooming and the two have a similar sound, the junior user should cease and desist.  The response of the junior user, however, could be that the words although somewhat similar in sound give off vastly different commercial impressions.  The word "HANKERIN" is a shortened gerund form of a slang verb meaning "to want" and brings to mind cowboy slang of rough and ready males; HANKY, by contrast, is the diminutive form of the noun handkerchief, connoting a small piece of delicate cloth associated with bygone days of women waving from trains, etc. 

On the other hand, say I have a DOG brand cleaner and someone else starts to sell CHIEN brand cleaner.  The words both look and sound very different from each other.  Nevertheless, since the words both mean the same thing, only in different languages, there could be confusion.  So CHIEN probably gets the boot.

The upshot of all this is to say that many factors go into the analysis.  Do get yourself a good trademark attorney (and make sure they're experienced in trademarks), but also read up a bit on trademarks yourself.   Searching this forum for "likelihood of confusion", "channels of trade", and "use in commerce" should bring up some good discussions.

Good luck.
« Last Edit: 07-22-11 at 06:18 am by Kaitlin »
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