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Author Topic: Patent Agent Part-Time Prospects?  (Read 1778 times)

jmcoreymv

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Patent Agent Part-Time Prospects?
« on: 07-06-11 at 07:22 pm »

Hi all,

I'm an electrical engineer with a BS/MSEE.  My job is in design engineering and I like it, and have no plans to attempt to switch to a career in law.  Recently though, I've been interested in patents/patent law and have been studying to become a registered patent agent. 

My interest would be in establishing a secondary income from either:
1.  Directly helping inventors patent their inventions
2.  Working part-time for a patent law attorney/firm.  Since I'd have very low overhead (dont need benefits or an office), I believe I could charge a favorable rate if there was work available.

Are either of the two choices above realistic? Opinions?

Thanks!
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virus_guy

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Re: Patent Agent Part-Time Prospects?
« Reply #1 on: 07-07-11 at 02:20 am »

Hi,

It's interesting that you want to become a registered agent to help inventors patent their inventions. That's pretty much what I am doing now. I'm a registered agent and I worked at a law firm previously. I've since left the firm to pursue other interests. On the side, I do exactly what you listed in 1.

I'm sure you will have no problems passing the agent exam, but I just want to point out that passing the agent exam isn't the end all and be all of being a patent agent. Before I worked at a law firm, I spent a brief stint at the USPTO as an examiner. I passed the agent exam while I was an examiner, and I went into the law firm job thinking I knew how to write an application and prosecute an application. After all, I passed the agent exam! But once I got there, I found out I didn't really know about representing a client or writing a good application. There's the stuff in the MPEP and then there are the "tricks of the trade". My point is that in order to be a good agent, you'll need to acquire some experience. I'm quite sure that no attorney or firm would hire you, even part-time, if you don't have any experience under your belt.

So unless you find a way of working or training with an experienced attorney or agent, I think your 2 goals might be out of reach, particularly goal 2. You can take the plunge and represent clients who are willing to have you represent them a la goal 1, but you run the risk of malpractice if you screw up. You have to keep in mind that when you represent a client, you are taking their IP, which could potentially be worth $$$$, into your own hands. A screw-up by you, the agent, could mean unrecoverable loss of the IP that the client put in your trust. So before you think about helping inventors patent their inventions and charging someone for part-time work, think about getting some experience. That's just my 2 cents.
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Re: Patent Agent Part-Time Prospects?
« Reply #2 on: 07-07-11 at 08:15 am »

Thanks for the input virus_guy.  Liability is definitely something to consider if I'm working on my own.  I'm going to try to get in touch with my company's patent group and see if they have anything I can work on to gain experience. 

Can I ask what you believe would be a reasonable hourly rate for either choice 1/2 if I do gain some experience?
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Re: Patent Agent Part-Time Prospects?
« Reply #3 on: 07-07-11 at 08:54 am »

I'm quite sure that no attorney or firm would hire you, even part-time, if you don't have any experience under your belt.

I don't think lack of experience is the problem per se -- it's quite common for law firms to hire newbies. [In this rough economy, they hire a lot fewer, but that's still the model for long term growth at many firms.]

I do think a part-time/overflow gig with lack of experience is a problem. A firm may be willing to invest in training a newbie when that newbie is an integral part of the firm -- because the benefits of training will accrue to the firm.

But I can't see a firm being interested in training a guy who is only interested in a part time gig. The firm would be concerned about somebody else benefiting from the training they give you.
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Re: Patent Agent Part-Time Prospects?
« Reply #4 on: 07-08-11 at 01:59 pm »

Thanks for the input virus_guy.  Liability is definitely something to consider if I'm working on my own.  I'm going to try to get in touch with my company's patent group and see if they have anything I can work on to gain experience. 

Can I ask what you believe would be a reasonable hourly rate for either choice 1/2 if I do gain some experience?

Well, I can't tell you for certain what a reasonable rate is. Perhaps someone on this board can chime in on this point. When I worked for a firm, they billed my time out at $200/hr, but keep in mind that the firm takes a cut to pay for overhead, etc. For the work I do on the side now, I charge $100/hr, but even that isn't really set in stone. Since I am really doing this on the side, it's not my primary source of income or even my secondary source of income. I only a handful of clients that I work with, so I work with them on the rate.
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Re: Patent Agent Part-Time Prospects?
« Reply #5 on: 07-10-11 at 11:36 pm »

Yes, I agree that most firms would be hesitant to hire a part-time agent with no experience. Why bother?
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Re: Patent Agent Part-Time Prospects?
« Reply #6 on: 07-20-11 at 09:07 pm »

Why not do it full time? ???
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