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jeremystrause

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What is it like being a IP litigation attorney?
« on: 05-23-11 at 04:39 pm »

What is it like being an IP litigation attorney? What exactly do you do on a day to day basis? Do you basically work in an office all day or do you go argue a case in front of a judge? How does IP litigation differ from IP prosecution?

Any info is helpful! Thanks
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Re: What is it like being a IP litigation attorney?
« Reply #1 on: 05-23-11 at 11:07 pm »

My experience in IP litigation is over a decade behind me now, but here's my recollection such as it is.  (Active practitioners, feel free to correct or update.)  Also, I was a non-patent patent litigator--working in patent litigation, but not patent-barred and so not doing any patent prosecution.  My impression of prosecution is that it's practically entirely done from your desk. 

I don't know if there is such a thing as a typical day for IP litigation.  A number of variables come into play depending on the kinds of cases the firm takes, the amount of litigation the firm gets, and where the attorney is on the continuum of experience.  Depending on those factors, you could end up spending most of your time in the office, punctuated only by occasional trips on site for discovery or periodically by frenetic periods of heading out to court (or agency), or you might possibly end up in court a lot.  

In my own experience, the work in the office was by far the larger part of my practice, with occasional trips outside to view client sites or go to court.  But I was involved in other advocacy work, as well as trademark prosecution, alongside patent and trademark litigation.  If your firm has a large and active enough litigation practice and devotes you to that alone, giving you a primary role on your feet in the court room, your mileage may differ--as they say.

One constant that I expect would apply in any litigation practice, whether working in your office or getting out to the client's site or to court, your life will definitely not be your own.  

I'll put some of the variables at play in a second post.
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Re: What is it like being a IP litigation attorney?
« Reply #2 on: 05-23-11 at 11:07 pm »

IP Litigation

Kinds of cases:

Courts:
IP litigators include those who not only litigate patent but also copyright cases in federal court, or trademark and trade secret cases at either the state or federal level (for diversity), or even litigate contracts such as IP licensing agreements or NDA's at either the state or federal level.  IP litigation can also extend to appellate work, depending on the firm and the clients. 

Agencies:
IP litigators could also litigate infringement or other unfair trade practice in a 337 case (unfair trade in imports) at the International Trade Commission before an ALJ.  (Interesting three-sided litigation:  domestic complainant, foreign respondent(s), and then the ITC's own attorney representing the US government's interest.)   

Then there's litigation before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board or the Board of Patent Appeals and Interferences:  During prosecution of a trademark application, someone may initiate an opposition proceeding to oppose registration of the mark.  Or a granted registration may be challenged by someone through a cancellation proceeding.  Oppositions and cancellations are litigation, and follow the same basic format as a court case including discovery, presentation of evidence, and argument.  The difference is these are before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board instead of a court and most of the litigation can be handled without leaving your office -- both conducting discovery and presenting evidence via paper (or, these days, electronically I presume) and over the phone.  Challenges to patent prosecutions come in the form of Interference proceedings, which I presume also follow the same litigation style format as do their Trademark counterparts.  You must be registered with the respective agency/board to either prosecute trademarks or patents or litigate them before the boards, which for patents means you must have passed the patent bar. 

Chances are, you wouldn't handle such a proceeding unless you were already doing the prosecution work, but that could be the case.  Particularly for IP boutiques, prosecution is the "bread and butter" of the practice that provides a steady income.  When I was with a boutique, there were a number of patent attorneys who didn't litigate, but I'm pretty sure there were no patent-qualified attorneys doing litigation who didn't also do prosecution (with the possible exception of the name partners).

Patent vs. Non-patent
It sounds like you are patent qualified or expect to be -- since you mention contrasting prosecution with litigation--but, with respect to patent vs. other IP, I'll mention that while many firms do keep their patent people separate from other IP, there are firms where that's not the case.  The skills required to draft a good patent, while considerable, don't necessarily pair up with the skills necessary to marshal the facts of a case into a compelling brief.  Also, to do a good job litigating, you need to be able to translate both the law and the art into language the judge (or possibly jury) can understand.  So it can be helpful to have a an attorney who isn't patent-barred on the team, but that person needs to be a quick study and able to learn both about the art and the patent law at issue from the patent attorneys on the case. 

Kinds of activities within litigation:

This is also going to depend on your level of expertise and experience, as well as the firm you're with.

When you're new to practice, you may initially find your finely honed trial skills, including your mastery of the rule in Queen Caroline's case, will be mothballed while you steep yourself in discovery grunt work -- important but grunt nonetheless: filling out interrogatories and responding to requests for production and drafting the same for the other side, occasionally interrupted by motions to compel and subpoenae.  With more experience, you may be graduated to making charts identifying and succinctly but innocuously describing documents you've been asked to produce which are attorney-client privileged or work product.  A more interesting side of "grunt" preparatory work, however, can be going on-site to the client's manufacturing plant to get a first-hand understanding of a process at issue or to help pull out responsive documents for a production request.  This can involve all day or overnight travel across county, or a few hours to a place in your home town.

As you gain experience you'll likely be drafting memoranda and more varied motions and briefs.  And, depending on the firm, you may be sent to argue a motion or brought into the courtroom to assist at trial either sooner or later.  Ideally, eventually you'll be actually examining witnesses and making arguments to the judge or jury, and even taking first chair, but how soon that comes about will vary by firm.  (Some firms tend to hold back on bringing along new attorneys in courtroom work.  Written work can be reviewed and redone if necessary, but not presentation of evidence or argument at trial.) 
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Re: What is it like being a IP litigation attorney?
« Reply #3 on: 05-24-11 at 04:23 am »

What is it like being an IP litigation attorney? What exactly do you do on a day to day basis? Do you basically work in an office all day or do you go argue a case in front of a judge? How does IP litigation differ from IP prosecution?

Any info is helpful! Thanks

Hell and fun all at the same time.  Don't bank on going to the court room often, most cases settle out in the early to mid stages of a litigation. 
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Re: What is it like being a IP litigation attorney?
« Reply #4 on: 05-24-11 at 02:15 pm »

Don't bank on going to the court room often, most cases settle out in the early to mid stages of a litigation. 
Good point.  Probably happens a lot more these days than years back. 
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Re: What is it like being a IP litigation attorney?
« Reply #5 on: 05-24-11 at 05:01 pm »

[quote author=bleedingpen link=topic=17965.msg88851#msg88851 date=1306236193

Hell and fun all at the same time.  Don't bank on going to the court room often, most cases settle out in the early to mid stages of a litigation. 
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Can you explain that a little bit? What do you mean by "hell and fun all at the same time"?
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Re: What is it like being a IP litigation attorney?
« Reply #6 on: 05-26-11 at 07:30 am »

Can you explain that a little bit? What do you mean by "hell and fun all at the same time"?

Warning, over-generalization coming:

Litigators are largely a narcissistic bunch of a-holes.  That's the truth.  I was once one of them.  As narcissists, it is a blast being "in-control" of a case and having so much responsibility placed upon you.  After all, some of these patent cases are bet the farm type cases.  Plus you have to know the law- you end up being the go-to guy for all of your patent prosecution friends that have a patent law question. 

But, it can also be hell having so much responsibility placed upon you.  The hours suck.  Opposing attorneys are (as I mentioned earlier) a-holes.  They make your life unnecessarily difficult, and just to play fair, you make their life unnecessarily difficult.  And at the end of the day, the facts of the case determine the likely settlement outcome, not the attorney.  So while you might do a kick-butt job for your client, if your client's patent claims read A, B, and C, but the accused infringer does A, B, and D, you lose.  Sometimes that gets lost on the client. 

Oh and don't think that all IP litigation is in fact IP related.  Most of the time, IP cases have tortuous interference, unfair trade practices, contract disputes, and other causes of action mixed in.  It isn't just patent law. 
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Re: What is it like being a IP litigation attorney?
« Reply #7 on: 05-31-11 at 07:16 am »

And at the end of the day, the facts of the case determine the likely settlement outcome, not the attorney.  So while you might do a kick-butt job for your client, if your client's patent claims read A, B, and C, but the accused infringer does A, B, and D, you lose.  Sometimes that gets lost on the client. 

I agree; also I have no idea why the purchasers of legal services do not seem to understand this.  I have no idea why a GC would pay $400/hr for a first year associate at some of these large law firms.  I guess it might be CYA on the part of the GC, it might be trying to intimidate the opposition (if the opposition is not savy), it might be trying to outspend the competition, or it might be a psuedo-marketing/brand allignment by the company (our attorneys are the best because we are the best).  I am shocked that we don't have more 15 person patent litigation firms charging far less.  Especially considering contract attorneys do all the doc review these days, I am just lost. 

Q for the board: why has the market developed this way?  Will it stay this way for the foreseeable future?
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Re: What is it like being a IP litigation attorney?
« Reply #8 on: 05-31-11 at 09:51 am »

Your factors are good ones.

Also consider that the inhouse/gc guy may have worked for subject big firm in the past. 

Mostly I think it is a CYA thing though.  If we lose a case, it can't be on the gc for hiring the "best" big firm, whereas, if the gc hires a small firm and they lose, then it must be the firm's fault. 
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Re: What is it like being a IP litigation attorney?
« Reply #9 on: 05-31-11 at 10:31 am »

Thanks bleedingpen.

It makes total sense.  A board of directors will be fairly legally savy, but not the I-Banker investors, or institutional investors.  And those are the board's boss. 

Thank you again.

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