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[blaze1306]

I disagree with you Bleedingpen

 Most people that put in the time to go through Equities and Remedies, and Property 2 and Buisness Orgs from any school is worth the respect, no matter what school they come from.

This is a real issue I have with law schools is rank. It's only for lawyers, no one else cares, it doesnt matter. My school is low tier and I am learning the same thing as top law school students( see the new ABA magazine cover story). My Property I prof went to Stanford and graduated from Michigan Law, my evidence prof is a District judge, my Civ Pro prof graduated from Harvard law. I can't imagine I'm learning any less than people at top tier schools. And from the people at top schools I have talked to I'm not learning anything different. We all hate the rule against perpetuities, we all hate research and writing and we all deserve respect for our education and experience.

But my purpose for posting is not to argue about my school ranking pet peeve.

Your comment about digbat attorneys has nothing to do with the school they went to. My family doctor right now is a complete idiot and he went to Michigan State.

And finally your comment about two existing classes(partner and associates) is inconsistant. The reason you cant compare partners and associates is partners paid there due( and partnership fee). These career associate positions come in at the same time as new regular associates. You have two competing classes at direct opposition doing the same work, at the same experience level.

Do you think career associates are going to do less work than regular associates?

[BobRoberts]

"Do you think career associates are going to do less work than regular associates?"

Per the article, they are supposed to.  It doesn't say about billable hours requirements for the career assoc, that I saw.  They will supposedly have a better quality of life, thus the trade-off between a partnership track and living life.  Now, I wonder whether they will really do less work, or how the work will be governered to allow them a regular 9 to 5. 

[bleedingpen]

I disagree with you Bleedingpen

 Most people that put in the time to go through Equities and Remedies, and Property 2 and Buisness Orgs from any school is worth the respect, no matter what school they come from.

This is a real issue I have with law schools is rank. It's only for lawyers, no one else cares, it doesnt matter. My school is low tier and I am learning the same thing as top law school students( see the new ABA magazine cover story). My Property I prof went to Stanford and graduated from Michigan Law, my evidence prof is a District judge, my Civ Pro prof graduated from Harvard law. I can't imagine I'm learning any less than people at top tier schools. And from the people at top schools I have talked to I'm not learning anything different. We all hate the rule against perpetuities, we all hate research and writing and we all deserve respect for our education and experience.

But my purpose for posting is not to argue about my school ranking pet peeve.

Your comment about digbat attorneys has nothing to do with the school they went to. My family doctor right now is a complete idiot and he went to Michigan State.

You are entitled to your opinion.  The fact is that we have way more law graduates coming out of our 200 law schools than we have jobs for.  Meanwhile the ABA has OK'd the opening of over 20 new law schools since the turn of the century, while at the same time many schools have substantially ballooned their enrollment. 

PS, I didn't say that attorneys weren't deserving of respect, just that attorneys weren't deserving of the respect that doctors get and the profession as a whole shouldn't be until we raise our admissions standards (I also agree with one of the other posters- the advertising by ambulance chasers is a real black eye for the legal profession). 

[blaze1306]

You are entitled to your opinion.  The fact is that we have way more law graduates coming out of our 200 law schools than we have jobs for.  Meanwhile the ABA has OK'd the opening of over 20 new law schools since the turn of the century, while at the same time many schools have substantially ballooned their enrollment. 

PS, I didn't say that attorneys weren't deserving of respect, just that attorneys weren't deserving of the respect that doctors get and the profession as a whole shouldn't be until we raise our admissions standards (I also agree with one of the other posters- the advertising by ambulance chasers is a real black eye for the legal profession). 
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I agree with you form the most part Bleedingpen...but I still have an issue with the assumption that low admission/tier law schools are responsible for the problems with our profession. Not only do personal injury lawyers provide a service , it is just as likely a top tier school graduate will take the ambulance chaser route( or be  disciplined by an ethics board)  as anyone else.

And another thing Bleedingpen, if you are an attorney why do you have such a discriminatory attitude against those of us at lower tier schools? We are not the cause of the problems with our profession. Law school rank means nothing, see the newest ABA cover story for this month. Schools are basicly lying about GPA and LSAT scores just to increase rank. Law school rank does not make high tier graduates better attorneys than us low tiers graduates.

[LivingItUp]

And another thing Bleedingpen, if you are an attorney why do you have such a discriminatory attitude against those of us at lower tier schools? We are not the cause of the problems with our profession. Law school rank means nothing, see the newest ABA cover story for this month.

The low tier online schools will be the future. They only cost like 8k per year for tuition and books. See, http://www.alu.edu/prospect/tuition.php

For example, here is law professor giving a lecture, see, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik&feature=related . Much nicer to watch it online, and be able to replay it. This guy talks fast. You cannot do that if you actually attend the lecture.

Maybe they will even eliminate law books and use electronic documents.

[blaze1306]

And another thing Bleedingpen, if you are an attorney why do you have such a discriminatory attitude against those of us at lower tier schools? We are not the cause of the problems with our profession. Law school rank means nothing, see the newest ABA cover story for this month.

The low tier online schools will be the future. They only cost like 8k per year for tuition and books. See, http://www.alu.edu/prospect/tuition.php

For example, here is law professor giving a lecture, see, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik&feature=related . Much nicer to watch it online, and be able to replay it. This guy talks fast. You cannot do that if you actually attend the lecture.

Maybe they will even eliminate law books and use electronic documents.

With how much I spend on books i'd gladly use electronic documents.

[bleedingpen]

I agree with you form the most part Bleedingpen...but I still have an issue with the assumption that low admission/tier law schools are responsible for the problems with our profession. Not only do personal injury lawyers provide a service , it is just as likely a top tier school graduate will take the ambulance chaser route( or be  disciplined by an ethics board)  as anyone else.

I said that dingbats were one of the problems of the professions.  And dingbats are more likely to come from lower tiered law schools. 

And yes, ambulance chasers can come from all schools.  America's favorite ambulance chaser, John Edwards, went to a tier 1 school.

And another thing Bleedingpen, if you are an attorney why do you have such a discriminatory attitude against those of us at lower tier schools? We are not the cause of the problems with our profession. Law school rank means nothing, see the newest ABA cover story for this month. Schools are basicly lying about GPA and LSAT scores just to increase rank. Law school rank does not make high tier graduates better attorneys than us low tiers graduates.

I have a problem with dingbat attorneys, regardless of what school they went to.  And if you think that law school rank means nothing, think again.  Where you go to school matters for getting a job, which is what all law students should be worried about.

[blaze1306]

I agree with you form the most part Bleedingpen...but I still have an issue with the assumption that low admission/tier law schools are responsible for the problems with our profession. Not only do personal injury lawyers provide a service , it is just as likely a top tier school graduate will take the ambulance chaser route( or be  disciplined by an ethics board)  as anyone else.
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I said that dingbats were one of the problems of the professions.  And dingbats are more likely to come from lower tiered law schools. 

And yes, ambulance chasers can come from all schools.  America's favorite ambulance chaser, John Edwards, went to a tier 1 school.

And another thing Bleedingpen, if you are an attorney why do you have such a discriminatory attitude against those of us at lower tier schools? We are not the cause of the problems with our profession. Law school rank means nothing, see the newest ABA cover story for this month. Schools are basicly lying about GPA and LSAT scores just to increase rank. Law school rank does not make high tier graduates better attorneys than us low tiers graduates.

I have a problem with dingbat attorneys, regardless of what school they went to.  And if you think that law school rank means nothing, think again.  Where you go to school matters for getting a job, which is what all law students should be worried about.


You proved my point bleedingpen, its ignorace and prejudice like yours, thats whats wrong with our profession. I am happy my law school rank hasn't affected the places I have interview with. And as long as I dont run into people like you I will definitely be in a better place and have a great legal career.
Really..dingbats are more likely to come from lower tier schools by your assumption because of lower GPA and LSAT....your conclusion has no basis in fact is the sadest thing, lets take your close minded assumptions to the next logical conclusion..lets see, African Americans come from proportionally lower ranked schools and poorer areas, with slightly lower GPA so by your assumption since we go to lower ranked schools as well as lower ranked undergrads we are also dumber and more lilely to be "dingbats".

Your assumption is the lowest type of prejudice and baseless lack of facts. But maybe I'm being to hard... I will leave this segments of posting to you, you did say ding bats can come from any school but to bash lower tier schools because they give opportunites to more people is just plain wrong

I really hope people seeing this segment of posts will look at listed attorneys at big firms were they will see almost all firms have a good spread of associates from all tiers.

Thanks for the lack of insight.


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