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[fb]

In looking for an easier method for proof-of-invention date, how about recording a video of you showing/describing the invention while standing near a city bus when the bus displays the date and time on it's digital sign? Or at an airport in front of the date/time display in the lobby?

This could be done with or without "witnesses" in the video, who could state their names and testify as to the date.

[dtpater]

Hi BF,
        The more links you have in your paper trail the better, for me personally I work with a 3D CAD Designer for my new products and he is also a source for the priority date,  I just get on with the job, find out if your invention has a market first and if it meets price points in the market place, remember at some point you need to let go of your Invention to move forward!

For the below new product, I had 3 people I trust help me, if you cannot do that it becomes twice as hard to make the market Place


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JcjAIqCD9M

[JimIvey]

It's very important to understand that proving first to think of an idea almost never matters in patent cases.  It sometimes matters, but very rarely.

Having said that, I had an idea a long time ago of trusted 3rd-party timestamp authentication of electronic documents.  The demo is down.

Regards.

[fb]

What a great idea... a digital notary:

www.proofspace.com
www.digistamp.com

[dtpater]

Yes that digital notary would be very helpful, personally I have noticed many Inventors are overly protective of their new Invention when really many are a pure waste of time and money, make sure your focus is right to get the level of interest required.

For Example I had 40 new Inventions, and in the end my own process of research (market and Patent) and testing concepts, I focused on 6 of the 40 only.

The first (3 are Licensed all patents and tooling at the manufactures cost), 1 sold outright, (1 considering tooling up without Patent's due to price point out of China for Europe) and the 6th is a failure.

So the other 34 concepts/Inventions were all abandoned for many different reasons and yes the (new product managers for companies) in some cases had convinced me that either there was no market or it was not going to meet the market price point due to manufacturing costs.
 

[doug vagedes]

Hi there dtpater.  Regarding your 34 concepts that were abandoned, I would like to speak with you about them to see if any may be of interest and if so, enter into a possible license arrangement.  The reasons you abandoned them may not be an issue for us.  You know one man's trash is another man's treasure.  I have a post on this site under Buy and Sell, Investor looking for the next WOW idea, to give you an ideal what my criteria is.  I can be reached at drvag@fuse.net if you would like to discuss.
Thanks

Doug Vagedes

[dtpater]

Hi Doug,
            Thanks, I am so much the devils advocate for my own stuff and other's, because I hate to see Inventors pour their hard earned money into new products and end up with nothing, its heart breaking to try and help an Inventor who has spent $100,000- and end up giving $80,000- towards only 2 Patents, Australian and USA, only to find out we were beaten into the market by an almost identical new product.

P.S  The U.S application failed and those costs totaled $65,000-

[fb]

The advantage of digital notaries like DigiStamp seems to be that you can easily do a daily log of your work, like a paper log, since it's only 40 cents per log. I know that building the invention (and not just the idea) is important, but for a day-to-day update, it seems easy.

As for the physical device, I thought of doing an invention-video with an actual notary. This is where I would bring my video camera to them and record 5 minutes of him and I standing together as I showed and explained the invention to the camera. He of course would state the date the video was made.

The real notary, in combination with daily e-notarys, seems an easy route for a certain level of proof of invention date. Maybe these could be added to the video at an airport terminal.



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[Paskran]

Hi, I am new.
Regarding the invention date, can my email of invention document to patent lawyer office be considered as a proof?
I must be paranoid. But my lawyer is taking almost two months to complete the application and I am concerned that he might be double crossing.

[ManOfManyBadIdeas]

Hi, I am new.
Regarding the invention date, can my email of invention document to patent lawyer office be considered as a proof?
I must be paranoid. But my lawyer is taking almost two months to complete the application and I am concerned that he might be double crossing.

Some degree of paranoia is inherent in the IP field, since this type of property is next to impossible to control. But from the probability standpoint your fear is of course not justified, I think it's highly unlikely that an attorney would do something like that. More to the point of your question, email evidence is far from being bulletproof. In fact, I would think that it's not worth much without some additional explanation for this email's existence, something along the lines of having paid the attorney some form of retainer. Anyway, something that would suggest that you would be sending such an email to that attorney.

[Paskran]

Some degree of paranoia is inherent in the IP field, since this type of property is next to impossible to control. But from the probability standpoint your fear is of course not justified, I think it's highly unlikely that an attorney would do something like that. More to the point of your question, email evidence is far from being bulletproof. In fact, I would think that it's not worth much without some additional explanation for this email's existence, something along the lines of having paid the attorney some form of retainer. Anyway, something that would suggest that you would be sending such an email to that attorney.

Thank you for your answer.
Yes, the retainer was paid by credit card as soon as the email was sent and NDA was executed by the law office as well.
Could all that together make up some meaningful evidence.
I know it is extremely unlikely. But I would like to know there is something I can rely on just in case.

[Isaac]

I must be paranoid. But my lawyer is taking almost two months to complete the application and I am concerned that he might be double crossing.

As long as your lawyer is being diligent, which can include working on patent applications for others who are ahead of you, the lawyer's delay in drafting your application will not affect your right to prove an earlier invention date.

On the other hand, your delay in getting the application to the attorney might have that effect.

[Paskran]

As long as your lawyer is being diligent, which can include working on patent applications for others who are ahead of you, the lawyer's delay in drafting your application will not affect your right to prove an earlier invention date.

On the other hand, your delay in getting the application to the attorney might have that effect.

I did not hold the application to cause any delay.
Thank you so much for your reply.
It's a relief.