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plex

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #5235 on: 06-23-12 at 06:35 pm »

JD patent examiners are more common than you think, but it depends on the art.  For instance, I think about ~30% of the tech center 2400 GS 7/9 hires were patent attorneys, that doesn't even count the GS-11s who are mostly patent attorneys.  Chem probably doesn't see as many just because there are a lot less Chem E patent attorneys out there in comparison to electrical.
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« Reply #5236 on: 07-07-12 at 08:24 pm »

Here's some real world experience for ya!

Hoteling:
I started as a GS-7/10 with the 9/27/10 class and made my first promotion 8 months after my start date and my second promotion 6 months after that. I am now within 6 months of my GS-12 and I just passed the Certification Exam so I can surely say that 2.5 years to get to GS-12 and Hoteling is VERY accurate for at least 98% of Examiners coming in at GS7.

Overtime:
There is no overtime if your production is below fully successful. My first year production was over 115%. My second year is closing in at 130%. Since being promoted to GS-9, I have put in an average of 20 hrs overtime each bi-week thereby making my salarly look more like GS-13. I have saved at least 3k/month since I started working OT and when I go hoteling I will pay cash for a house and that extra 1,500 in rent that I am paying to live in a 1 BR apt here in Alexandria will feel like a pay raise.

Work Habit:
If you are seeking to move away and make over 100k/year you WILL have to work ahead and sacrifice a little play time while at the office. Always work ahead of your required production. That way you won't feel pressured and you will be assured your promotions and bonuses.

Time flys so burn that oil now and reward yourself later! 8)
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plex

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #5237 on: 07-08-12 at 07:19 am »

Good points, I'll add my spin on the topics.

Here's some real world experience for ya!

Hoteling:
I started as a GS-7/10 with the 9/27/10 class and made my first promotion 8 months after my start date and my second promotion 6 months after that. I am now within 6 months of my GS-12 and I just passed the Certification Exam so I can surely say that 2.5 years to get to GS-12 and Hoteling is VERY accurate for at least 98% of Examiners coming in at GS7.

Yes, but 98% vastly overstates how many will make it to GS-12.  The commissioner has stated currently attrition is 3.5% for all examiners, during the worst years, the tech boom, attrition was 11% for all examiners.  This matches up with the pendency model prediction spreadsheet the USPTO released, but one thing to mention is that it is an average of all examiners.  The attrition rate is by far the highest for GS-7s and GS-9s.  Based on the pendency model, it is predicted to be around four times higher for GS-7s and GS-9s.  To put it into exact numbers, while a GS-14's attrition rate is about 1.5%, a GS7s and GS9s attrition rate is 11.2%.  It drops off drastically by GS11.

So, first you need to be one of the 89% who make it.  Then if you want to get to get to hoteling at the fastest speed possible, you need to be doing quite well.

Overtime:
There is no overtime if your production is below fully successful. My first year production was over 115%. My second year is closing in at 130%. Since being promoted to GS-9, I have put in an average of 20 hrs overtime each bi-week thereby making my salarly look more like GS-13. I have saved at least 3k/month since I started working OT and when I go hoteling I will pay cash for a house and that extra 1,500 in rent that I am paying to live in a 1 BR apt here in Alexandria will feel like a pay raise.

Yes, but one thing to note, it is better to max out overtime than it is to go for the awards past 110%.  You need about 110% to get a promotion, which is the only reason it is desirable over maxing overtime, rather than just going for fully successful.  Claimable overtime pays about 3-6x better than production awards, because the production awards pay a lot less per hour than your base pay.

Work Habit:
If you are seeking to move away and make over 100k/year you WILL have to work ahead and sacrifice a little play time while at the office. Always work ahead of your required production. That way you won't feel pressured and you will be assured your promotions and bonuses.

Time flys so burn that oil now and reward yourself later! 8)

Yup, it is much better to front-load than it is to back-load, for a lot of reasons.  The most successful of the examiners eventually have next bi-weeks ready to go before the bi-week even starts.

However, don't expect to immediately be able to get up to that speed, it takes time.  And the only ones who hit the ground running are those who have done this exact same sort of work before, most start at a crawl.
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #5238 on: 07-11-12 at 11:11 am »

I had received an examiner position offer from USPTO about 3 years ago but had to decline the offer before the start date due to some critical reasons. In hindsight, I would not have applied if I had known ahead of time that I would not be able to join.

My question is that if I apply again, will this be considered a negative and held against me as one of the reasons for not being considered/hired for a PE position? I would be going for a EE/CSE type art.
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #5239 on: 07-11-12 at 07:46 pm »

Former examiners can get rehired, so I don't see why they wouldn't hire someone who had to turn down an offer.
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #5240 on: 07-11-12 at 11:52 pm »

Hello, I just recently passed the patent bar and I applied for the PE positions that was recently open (Chemistry).  How much does this help in getting a position?  I have a Ph.D. too.
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« Reply #5241 on: 07-12-12 at 12:26 pm »

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Yes, but 98% vastly overstates how many will make it to GS-12.  The commissioner has stated currently attrition is 3.5% for all examiners, during the worst years, the tech boom, attrition was 11% for all examiners.  This matches up with the pendency model prediction spreadsheet the USPTO released, but one thing to mention is that it is an average of all examiners.  The attrition rate is by far the highest for GS-7s and GS-9s.  Based on the pendency model, it is predicted to be around four times higher for GS-7s and GS-9s.  To put it into exact numbers, while a GS-14's attrition rate is about 1.5%, a GS7s and GS9s attrition rate is 11.2%.  It drops off drastically by GS11.

So, first you need to be one of the 89% who make it.  Then if you want to get to get to hoteling at the fastest speed possible, you need to be doing quite well.

Yeah, but how much of that attrition is people finding they don't like the job and leaving versus getting fired?
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« Reply #5242 on: 07-13-12 at 01:34 pm »

I received this status today:  Multiple Grades/Status/Agencies – Minimum Qualifications Requirements Met.  Does this mean it is the end of the road for me because I did not receieve this status: Multiple Grades/Status/Agencies – Eligible-Application Referred to Selecting Official.  Or am I still waiting on another step of evaulation from HR to see if I am referred to a selecting official. 

Any input would be helpful.

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« Reply #5243 on: 07-13-12 at 05:32 pm »

Has any former Examiners tried to obtain a copy of their SF-50 form?  I've been away from the Office for 2 years, and I can't find my SF-50 form.  I understand that I can write a request to National Personnel Records Center, but it requires my social security number, which I'm reluctant to put in a letter that I'm mailing (I'm affraid it might get lost and someone will use my SS#).  Can I call HR at the Office and ask for a copy?
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« Reply #5244 on: 07-13-12 at 05:34 pm »

I received this status today:  Multiple Grades/Status/Agencies – Minimum Qualifications Requirements Met.  Does this mean it is the end of the road for me because I did not receieve this status: Multiple Grades/Status/Agencies – Eligible-Application Referred to Selecting Official.  Or am I still waiting on another step of evaulation from HR to see if I am referred to a selecting official. 

Any input would be helpful.

What position did you apply for?
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« Reply #5245 on: 07-13-12 at 06:39 pm »

Examiner Chem Arts - grades 7/9.  I know my chances are slim just wondering if it is over already.
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« Reply #5246 on: 07-13-12 at 07:02 pm »

Examiner Chem Arts - grades 7/9.  I know my chances are slim just wondering if it is over already.

Why do you think your chances are slim?
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #5247 on: 07-13-12 at 07:20 pm »

I received this status today:  Multiple Grades/Status/Agencies – Minimum Qualifications Requirements Met.  Does this mean it is the end of the road for me because I did not receieve this status: Multiple Grades/Status/Agencies – Eligible-Application Referred to Selecting Official.  Or am I still waiting on another step of evaulation from HR to see if I am referred to a selecting official. 

Any input would be helpful.

It is normal and you will get another update soon after HR finishes the evaluation.
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« Reply #5248 on: 07-13-12 at 07:48 pm »

Thanks eh2008.

I think my chances are slim because I do not hold a MS or Phd but rather a JD.  Also I assume that there are a ton of applicants for a small number of openings. 

This is my fourth time applying.  I normally only get the status of meeing the requirments but not referred, this is why I am questioning the status I got today. 
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« Reply #5249 on: 07-13-12 at 08:06 pm »

Thanks eh2008.

I think my chances are slim because I do not hold a MS or Phd but rather a JD.  Also I assume that there are a ton of applicants for a small number of openings. 

This is my fourth time applying.  I normally only get the status of meeing the requirments but not referred, this is why I am questioning the status I got today.

Keep trying.  This will be my first time going for GS-7/9.  I've been rejected at 11.  Good luck.
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