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chuckie_cheese

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #90 on: 05-17-05 at 02:02 pm »

I was wondering if those of you currently working as examiners put in a standard work day (8 hours) or are you putting in a lot of overtime based on the workload ?

Also, how does the overtime work ?
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PTO Prospect

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #91 on: 05-19-05 at 09:26 am »

I'm getting mixed messages here.

It sounds like it is very competitive to get into the PTO, but everybody says the interview is a cakewalk.  Has anybody interviewed and not gotten the job, or heard of someone who has? Or has somebody tried to get hired, failed and later made it in?

On the one hand, they have a lot of people leave in after a short time, but I've never heard much about why people don't like it.  Has anybody quit the PTO for a reason other than a more lucrative job offer in the private sector?
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #92 on: 05-19-05 at 12:25 pm »

Thank you for your post "someone out there."  I think I might take that approach rather than using JARS.  If you don't mind, can you post a bit of info on your background i.e. education/work experience?  Thank you.
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #93 on: 05-19-05 at 03:07 pm »

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Thank you for your post "someone out there."  I think I might take that approach rather than using JARS.  If you don't mind, can you post a bit of info on your background i.e. education/work experience?  Thank you.


You'll probably have to submit your paperwork via JARS anyway. I have been told this by many people there.

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #94 on: 05-19-05 at 03:36 pm »

You HAVE to post on JARS. There is no way around it.
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mistersilver

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #95 on: 05-19-05 at 11:35 pm »

HJ is correct.

I wanted to tell everyone who contributed to this forum/thread thanks!

I do have questions for the patent examiner at the USPTO and people living in D.C.

1.  What advices would you give to a new examiner?  I want to be prepare and well informed before I start working.
2.  How much time should I spend reviewing a case for the first 6 months (GS-7 Step 10) and after the accelerated promotion.  I want to be the best and not underperform.  I really look forward to the USPTO..many thanks in advance!
This is off the subject but---(sorry but I am NOT familiar with the area)
3.  I am relocating in June and wanted to know is it more fun to live in D.C. or Alexandria.  I realized the rent will be high and the metro ride will be around 30 minutes (riding from D.C.), but I want to make the best in life while I am young.
4.  What condos do you recommend to buy?  In previous post someone mentioned to avoid buying a condo along the Green line?--why???


« Last Edit: 11-12-06 at 10:51 pm by mistersilver »
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chuckie_cheese

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #96 on: 05-22-05 at 11:30 am »

mistersilver

I just relocated from S.Fla. for my 5/31 start date.  As far as location is concerned I noticed that the D.C. Metro area is pretty similar to South Fla. in terms of the neighboring cities proximity to each other.  The huge difference is the transit system.  I decided to rent in Arlington which is about 4 metro stops or 10min from the PTO and a few stops outside of D.C.  

While living in South Fla.  I was driving about 110 miles round trip so I had to get up extremely early to beat the traffic or leave pretty late to avoid it.  Based on my experience I would try to avoid moving too far from the office or too far from the metro.  If you decide to commute believe me it will eventually get tiring and impact your energy levels at work.  

As far as the price of housing is concerned...whew!!!

I looked at a few places before deciding so if you need any first hand impressions of some of the places I visited before deciding you can e-mail me at shedrickc@yahoo.com.  Also, take a look at apartmentratings.com if you decide to rent.

hope this helps
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Isaac

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #97 on: 05-22-05 at 03:49 pm »

About the commute.  In VA you can ride the VRE from as far south
as Fredericksburg.  There is a VRE stop at essentially the
same place as the Metro stop near the PTO.

Of course your commute would still be lengthy, but if you are
not actually driving, the commute is still tolerable, and
you may find housing at a more reasonable price than in
Arlington, Alexandria, or DC.

As far as the time to spend on a case, the amount of time depends
on what Art Unit you belong to.  Some technical areas are presumed
to be more difficult and thu allow examiners more hours per case.
« Last Edit: 05-22-05 at 03:51 pm by clarklawyer »
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #98 on: 05-23-05 at 07:18 am »

I was asked to fill out some forms including a security form during my interview. Is filling out the forms mandatory no matter what? I took one of the forms home because I didn't have all the information and told the interviewer that I would mail it. But I am wondering now whether I still have to fill this form out since I have not been formally offered a job yet though the interview went well. Anyone has any idea or has any experience like this? Many thanks.
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« Reply #99 on: 05-23-05 at 11:31 am »

You can't work at the PTO without a clearance.  They can't make a formal job offer to anybody until the person actually has been issued the clearance.

It takes a lot of work to do a background check. They aren't going to pass out those forms like candy.  If they gave you that form, it pretty much means you have the job, pending the results of the background check.
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #100 on: 05-23-05 at 01:49 pm »

RodgersDa is correct.  The PTO have to do a mandatory background check.  Usually they will require a potential candidate to fill out the Pre-appointment security form.  Once you have been given an official offer you will need to complete and bring the New Employee Accession Package with you on your start date. HTH
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #101 on: 05-23-05 at 01:51 pm »

To Harry Chu
Link to the forms:
http://www.usptocareers.gov/forms.asp
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someone out there

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #102 on: 05-29-05 at 02:14 pm »

Lots of questions out there...I posted earlier this month (patent examiner working in Biotech&Chem Tech Center)

I'd prefer not posting much info about myself here on the board...

Yes, you do have to use JARS, but I filled it out after my interview with the Biotech supervisors...it's not required for the interview (my resume had been forwarded to the supervisors).  For peace of mind, I would fill out JARS as soon as possible (I procrastinated).  In my case, I'm glad I did procrastinate, since one of the supervisors gave me input as to how I should rate myself in the portion concerning my skill set.  I was told that applicants sometimes under-rate themselves, and this can interfere with the hiring process on the HR end.

Right after my interview, one of the supervisors emailed me the forms for the security clearance.  The supervisors can not officially offer you a position...they have to indicate to HR who they want to hire.  Then, HR has to receive your completed security clearance forms, transcripts, and info through JARS before an official offer can be extended.  The security clearance forms require you to list all your addresses in the past 5 years, people who have known you at those addresses, additional names of people who have known you for at least 5 years , etc.  The full security check doesn't actually occur until after you are hired, after your orientation day.  During orientation, your security clearance forms are actually returned to you with notes about discrepancies for you to correct that day.        

You don't need to prepare for the job before starting out...you'll be receiving plenty of training.  You'll have about 2 weeks of training, then you are sent to your office to start examining.  Throughout the first year, you will be attending additional classes offered by your tech center.  For instance, during the second month at the PTO, I remember spending about 3 to 6 hours each week in classes.  

The job is not a piece of cake...it is challenging considering the time constraints.  A patent examiner is on a production system...production is based on the number of counts you receive per biweek.  For example, you receive a count when you submit a first office action (examine for novelty, etc).  Depending on your supervisory patent examiner (supervisor, SPE), I suggest not worrying about your production during your first 4 months of the job.  Your concern should be about learning the ropes and understanding the job...this will be your only opportunity to have the liberty to take your time with the job.  After those first few months, your SPE will be more closely looking at your production...that's when you need to try to ramp up your production.  You are a probationary employee during your first year...upon your first year anniversary at the office, your SPE will decide whether to retain you...this is largely based on your production.  

As a new examiner, you have a mentor who reviews your work and offers training...it could be a primary examiner in your art unit, or your art unit's supervisory patent examiner (SPE).  The amount of guidance you receive really depends on your mentor.  Do as your mentor says...follow your mentor's approach to the job and perspective on matters.  Not to say that you can't disagree with your mentor, but keep in mind that your mentor is signing your work...your mentor is partly responsible for any work you submit, so it's important that he/she is comfortable with your office actions.  If you disagree or are confused about your mentor's input, explain your point of view and ask questions.  Don't be antagonistic, and be considerate of their time.  

About the interviews...from what I hear, they vary a bit...I know that some supervisors like to ask some technical questions, but some would just want you to describe your duties at previous jobs (internships, research experiences, full-time positions).  I don't really remember my interview (several SPEs interviewed me at the same time).
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #103 on: 05-31-05 at 06:48 pm »

I am likely taking a job and moving up to DC mid july.

Anybody looking for a roomate? I assume there are tons ofs us relocating to USPTO. I am young, I don't want/need to live alone waisting more of my pay cheek on resnt.

E-mail me if you are interested in a roomate. I have no idea yet where to live. Walking to work woulds be nice... cheap rent (in DC!) would be nice...
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mistersilver

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #104 on: 06-01-05 at 03:56 pm »

I am also looking for potential roommates.  I will fly into DC tomorrow, and if you're interested in roooming with a 23y. male then email me.  Thanks.
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