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blaze1306

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4950 on: 12-28-11 at 04:31 pm »

The OF-306 is the Declaration for Federal Employment form and the candidate questionnaire is literally a spreadsheet asking you to rate what your interests and experiences are in certain areas such as chemistry, physics, etc.  I'm just curious.

Why would you show interest in an art if you are mutli-capable? Ie biotech, chem/bio, etc. Is it just interest from experience or what? Does it have any bearing on placement?
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4951 on: 12-28-11 at 04:40 pm »

The OF-306 is the Declaration for Federal Employment form and the candidate questionnaire is literally a spreadsheet asking you to rate what your interests and experiences are in certain areas such as chemistry, physics, etc.  I'm just curious.

Why would you show interest in an art if you are mutli-capable especially before you are even deemed qualified for an art unit? Ie biotech, chem/bio, etc. Is it just interest from experience or what? Does it have any bearing on placement?
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4952 on: 12-29-11 at 06:49 am »

The interest form is just to state YOUR interest in the different arts, your preference if you will, in ranking numbers.

It's purely personal interest.  For example, someone with lots of experiences in chemistry, but also capable in biology, might prefer biology arts for personal reasons.

It does have some bearing on placement, but in this job market, you will not likely see 2 art units fight over a candidate.  More likely, if you don't get your 1st interest art area, you will be lucky to have the 2nd and 3rd to fall back on (assuming you qualify for those).
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4953 on: 12-29-11 at 07:10 am »

The interest form is just to state YOUR interest in the different arts, your preference if you will, in ranking numbers.

It's purely personal interest.  For example, someone with lots of experiences in chemistry, but also capable in biology, might prefer biology arts for personal reasons.

It does have some bearing on placement, but in this job market, you will not likely see 2 art units fight over a candidate.  More likely, if you don't get your 1st interest art area, you will be lucky to have the 2nd and 3rd to fall back on (assuming you qualify for those).

OH. I didnt know that. I was just wondering why you would put this form in if you havent even been deemed qualified. I guess it could only help.
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4954 on: 12-29-11 at 08:03 am »

This type of "interest" form is pretty typical in many private companies.

Back when I interviewed for engineer job with Intel Corporation (back when they were doing "rush" interviews, meaning, I have a 2 hour interview with 4 different business groups, 30 minutes each), they asked me to fill out a similar post-interview interest form, basically asking me which business group I would like to work for.

In a way, it's like speed dating (not speaking from experience, merely from what I have heard).

In speed dating, you go around having a few minutes of chat with prospectives, and then you rate your interests in all the prospectives, and they also rate you.

You might rate high interest in 1 of them, but they might not reciprocate.

In the end, the best "mutual high interest" matches.

(Again, like in speed dating, if the other side is in more demand, then you don't have many options).

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4955 on: 12-30-11 at 12:00 am »


Has anyone recieved offer for Comp Eng position?
I interviewed 12/1 but haven't heard anything.

I called HR last week and was told they may not make decisions until early Jan. but I see that a couple of people have been offered ME positions.

I also had something strange happen before the interview.
They called me and asked for my email address and emailed me the forms and informed me about the interview the day that the forms were due.

I'm wondering if they've already made all the offers or are still in the process of making offers.


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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4956 on: 12-30-11 at 09:58 am »

The interview process is ongoing but the offers are going to be slow to go out now, because of the end of the calendar year.

Also, the interview process varies a little.  It's not unexpected that sometimes it might appear that the schedule of steps and due dates seem a little out of order or irrational.

If they are so out of order that you cannot possibly meet the due dates, then you should call HR, explain your situation and ask for extensions.

As with most government processes, if you don't complain, they assume that you are OK with the due dates.  But if you complain, they probably can give you some extensions within reason.
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4957 on: 12-30-11 at 11:34 am »

Hi Guys,

Below are some information taken from another USPTO patent examiner hiring forum.

December 12, 2011
Hi Guys,

I'll like to share some information from the job fair that took place on December 9th and 10th.

1. There a much greater need for the following tech centers : 1600- Biotechnology and Organic Chemistry (chemistry and pharmacology majors), and 2800-Semiconductors, Electrical and Optical Systems and Components (electrical engineering). Secondary areas of need are: 2100 - Computer Architecture, Software, and Information Security, 1700 - Chemical and Materials Engineering, and 3700 - Mechanical Engineering, Manufacturing, Products.

2. Because of factors such as the economy and job market, hiring is heavily based on EXPERIENCE! SPE's and management are looking for BUZZ WORDS in your resume, interview responses, and the pre-interview questionnaire/interest documents given to you on the day of the interview. A point system is in place that documents your clarity of speech, presentation skills and etc.

3. Overall, SPE's and management are looking for applicants that are greatly diversified in their experience(s). For example, a person with a chemistry background who also have experience in molecular biology, immunology, microbiology, engineering and etc. is more likely to get an offer than someone with only chemistry-related experience. They are also looking for people who have written and/or presented scientific information in the form of journals, articles, manuscripts, and so forth.

4. Hiring comes down to the following: 1) total points generated during the interview, 2)recommendation from the interviewer/hiring coordinator to be considered for further review (you will have an idea if you will be recommended after the the interview) and 3) areas of interest in an art unit that's hiring.

5. Start dates: January 17th and January 30th, 2012: Applicants, engineering majors, who interviewed prior to December 9th & 10th (e.g. September, October, and November).

6. Start date: mid February 2012: Applicants who interviewed during the December 9th and 10th Job Fair. In fact, there were so many people at the job fair. These applicants should hear something within a month. So have your documents ready, transcripts and etc.

7. Start date: late March and so forth: Applicants who did not attend the job fair but applied via USAJOBS for the online submission dates of November 28-December 12, 2011. A major disadvantage to this is that applicants who attended the job fair have already interviewed prior to the USA jobs deadline. Moreover, these applicants did not have to wait for Human Resources to deemed them qualified for the position(s) which can take months. If highly recommended, an applicant's material with be sent directly to HR for a job offer and start date. The way the economy is, there's no guarantee that there will be PTA's after February 2012 or March 2012. USPTO is known for taking job offers back as a result of funding. In this case, the early bird gets the worm!

My 2 cents!
-RB 

December 13, 2011

Although I signed up for the Chemistry Interview Session at the fair, I interviewed with the official Hiring Coordinator for the Electrical Engineering Unit. He along with an EE Primary Examiner informed me that there's a GREAT need for: 1. 1600 - Biotechnology and Organic Chemistry, 2). 2400 - Computer Networks, Multiplex Communication, Video Distribution, and Security and 3). 2800 - Semiconductors, Electrical and Optical Systems and Components. Also, a hiring announcement was made in 1600 - Biotechnology and Organic Chemistry stating the need of examiners. Remember, the last time 1600 hired examiners was for the December 2010 PTA right before the hiring freeze. In fact, I was able to get all the necessary information I needed for a possible USPTO position from a current examiner from Tech Center 1600.

Overall, the EE hiring coordinator that I interviewed with stated that I was a great fit and highly qualified for the GS9 examiner position. Based on his recommendation, my application will be forwarded to the hiring coordinator for 1600. He further stated that since my experience was very diverse in the biomedical sciences, the hiring coordinator for 1600 shouldn't have any problem placing me in an art unit, and I should possibly receive an offer from HR within a month for the February 2012 PTA. I will believe his statements when the offer is in writing. So, this is the info I got from the fair. I know some applicants stated that their interviewer didn't inform them of anything.

-RB

December 20, 2011

Hi Guys,
A current examiner informed me that there's an ABUNDANCE of applicants who applied for the electrical engineering (EE) GS 7/9 positions. Some applicants who interviewed for EE GS 7/9 during the December 2011 job fair stated that technical questions (about 6) were asked in addition to the standard hiring questions (a way for management to distinguish between applicants). So weird! Although I applied and interviewed for Chemistry GS 7/9, my interviewer was the hiring coordinator for EE and he stated that there's an increase number of EE applicants, and more applicants were needed in other engineering sectors. Also, the guy who sat at my waiting table at the job fair was a primary examiner for EE. He mentioned this issue as well. So maybe that's why a lot of EE folks are being rejected. TOO MANY APPLICANTS!!

-RB

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4958 on: 12-30-11 at 11:38 am »

Hi Guys,

This is Part II

December 22, 2011

I apply for the Chemistry GS 7/9 positions as well. Please look at my older posts for information regarding chemistry examiner positions/feedback. Did you attend the Chemistry Interview Session? If not, you really missed out on a big opportunity. USPTO needs chemistry majors for tech center 1600 - Biotechnology and Organic Chemistry. As mentioned before, applicants who interviewed during the December 9th/10th job fair, if offered a position, will start mid February. At the fair alone, there were a lot of chemistry applicants for the "few" vacancies stated in the job announcement. Applicants who applied online via USAJobs will start March 2012 or later. This is AFTER all of the chemistry applicants from the job fair, if qualified, have been offered employment and have filled the class. USPTO is known for hiring ONLY 1 maybe 2 classes for this tech center. You should have received a notification from HR stating that your application has been received/complete. I too applied online AND interviewed at the job fair. Therefore, I don't necessarily have to wait for HR to deem me qualified or even submit my application to the hiring manager. The job fair was a way to BYPASS the middle man, HR, in this case, and get interviewed DIRECTLY. At this point, you have to wait and be patient. Hope this helps.

-RB

December 27, 2011

From my understanding, if you applied ONLY online via USAJobs for the examiner positions ending on December 12, 2011, you will get interviewed in late January/early February and start March 2012. Here's the order of events:

1. Currently, HR is sending offers to October-December 2nd applicants for January 17th and 30th PTA's, primarily engineering disciplines.

2. SPE's and management are NOW reviewing applicants from the December 9th and 10th Job Fair. Again, there are a LOT of applications to review. (Chemistry, Physics, Pharmacology and Engineering Disciplines)

3.December 2011 job fair applicants will start receiving job offers early/mid-January for February PTA. Afterwards, applicants who applied online by the December 12th deadline will receive notification of qualifications (eg. GS 7 and/or GS 9).

4. HR will then send interview invites to the applicants who applied online by the December 12 deadline. If you applied online AND attended the job fair, you should have received an offer by this time and in PTA. This applies only if you were extended an offer from HR. Check your status on USAJOBS if you haven't heard anything by this time.

5. December 12th deadline online-only applicants should receive offers in February for March 2012 PTA.

6. So forth and so forth

Hope this helps!

-RB
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jameson

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4959 on: 12-30-11 at 01:04 pm »

to those that have received offers, are you able to log into the www.opm.gov/e-QIP application to complete the SF-85P?

I keep getting the same error after submitting my SSN (example quoted below)


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Application Error
A General Error Occurred While Processing Your Action

Sorry, but an error occurred while trying to perform the desired action. Please try the action again. If problems continue, please contact support and provide the following information:
Support Details

    Date/Time: Dec 30, 2011 2:27:31 PM
    Client IP Address: <my ip address>
    Client ID: none


The offer/acceptance confirmation letter says we'll receive an email inviting us to fill out that form, so maybe new hires' SSNs haven't been input into the system quite yet, but it does give a 7 day deadline to fill out the questionnaire. (I haven't received the separate email yet)

Just curious if anyone else (new hires) can get past the SSN submission?
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blaze1306

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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4960 on: 12-30-11 at 01:20 pm »

Raging beauty. How did you find the PTO hiring event did I miss it on the website?
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4961 on: 12-30-11 at 02:16 pm »

Information regarding the December 2011 USPTO Job Fair was posted on several websites including the USPTO career page. On the job page, you had to answer a couple of questions to determine your general candidacy as a potential examiner. From there, you were asked to select a field of interest ( mechanical engineering, chemistry, physics, and etc) and choose an interview session time and date. Once these steps were completed, conformation and reminder emails were sent regarding the fair. There were about 20 interview slots for each category and for each fair day (December 9th and 10th). In addition, there were walk-in sessions from 10:00 am-12:00pm. At the end of the day however applicants who did not sign-up still attended the fair and were interviewed.  ::)
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4962 on: 12-30-11 at 03:00 pm »

I tried signing up for an interview at the job fair for chemistry and was told there were no spots.  Now it sounds like I will get passed over because I only applied via USAJOBS. 
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Re: Working for the USPTO
« Reply #4963 on: 12-30-11 at 03:17 pm »

I applied via USAjobs, interviewed 12/2/11, and found out 12/20/11 I was not selected. Applied for ME position, interviewed with ME group. I have a JD, bar member, Aerospace degree, and a little under a year experience with an automotive company doing IP strategy.
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« Reply #4964 on: 12-30-11 at 03:38 pm »

I applied via USAjobs, interviewed 12/2/11, and found out 12/20/11 I was not selected. Applied for ME position, interviewed with ME group. I have a JD, bar member, Aerospace degree, and a little under a year experience with an automotive company doing IP strategy.

I guess they only take 2 or 3 years experience in the engineering field, 2 or 3 years as a patent attorney, USPTO registration, and job fair interview.

Getting very competitive.
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