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cerass84
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« Reply #3570 on: 03-03-10 at 12:30 pm »

I believe the deadline for submitting resumes was yesterday. Any idea on when the PTO is going to start interviewing candidates?
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« Reply #3571 on: 03-04-10 at 02:10 pm »

Ha Ha. It looks like you got me. Painful byprodut of doing some work and trying to tease the kitty at the same time. I must say, though, you do seem to have a bit of talent for cross-examination. If I had seen that side of you before, I might have suggested a career working in a prosecutors office.

At any rate, I guess your point is that nearly everything we hear, including what we read in this blog, is hearsay, so that we should just disregard it all. If that is true, then why are you here? I think what I said in my initial post is correct, and for your own sake, I hope you don't get a job at the PTO.

You clearly have no idea what hearsay is. 

When you read an opinion that is expressed by the opinion holder, that is not hearsay.  Additionally, a description of facts by a person purporting to have first-hand knowledge of said facts is not hearsay, even when the description is incorrect.    Additionally, questions are not hearsay.  These three types of statements make up a majority of what is posted on any forum, arguably an overwhelming majority.  Thus your statement "nearly everything we hear, including what we read in this blog, is hearsay" is simply incorrect.

Using the post above mine as an example:
"The deadline was yesterday." - description of fact by a person purporting to have first-hand knowledge, and thus not hearsay.
"My opinion is the deadline should have been yesterday." - Opinion; not hearsay.
"Do you know when the deadline is?" - Question; not hearsay.
"Jane told me she saw a poster which indicated the deadline was yesterday." - hearsay as to the fact that the deadline was yesterday, and hearsay as to the existence of the poster; not hearsay as to the fact that Jane made the statement.

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« Reply #3572 on: 03-04-10 at 02:37 pm »

Ha Ha. It looks like you got me. Painful byprodut of doing some work and trying to tease the kitty at the same time. I must say, though, you do seem to have a bit of talent for cross-examination. If I had seen that side of you before, I might have suggested a career working in a prosecutors office.

At any rate, I guess your point is that nearly everything we hear, including what we read in this blog, is hearsay, so that we should just disregard it all. If that is true, then why are you here? I think what I said in my initial post is correct, and for your own sake, I hope you don't get a job at the PTO.

You clearly have no idea what hearsay is. 

When you read an opinion that is expressed by the opinion holder, that is not hearsay.  Additionally, a description of facts by a person purporting to have first-hand knowledge of said facts is not hearsay, even when the description is incorrect.    Additionally, questions are not hearsay.  These three types of statements make up a majority of what is posted on any forum, arguably an overwhelming majority.  Thus your statement "nearly everything we hear, including what we read in this blog, is hearsay" is simply incorrect.

Using the post above mine as an example:
"The deadline was yesterday." - description of fact by a person purporting to have first-hand knowledge, and thus not hearsay.
"My opinion is the deadline should have been yesterday." - Opinion; not hearsay.
"Do you know when the deadline is?" - Question; not hearsay.
"Jane told me she saw a poster which indicated the deadline was yesterday." - hearsay as to the fact that the deadline was yesterday, and hearsay as to the existence of the poster; not hearsay as to the fact that Jane made the statement.



Oh hi hyper-literal 1L gunner in bottom 50% who forgot that "hearsay" has a non-legal meaning!
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« Reply #3573 on: 03-04-10 at 03:17 pm »

Oh hi hyper-literal 1L gunner in bottom 50% who forgot that "hearsay" has a non-legal meaning!

Nah, ya don't get evidence until 2L 1st sem.
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« Reply #3574 on: 03-04-10 at 04:33 pm »

Oh hi hyper-literal 1L gunner in bottom 50% who forgot that "hearsay" has a non-legal meaning!

Nah, ya don't get evidence until 2L 1st sem.

Hence the gunnerishness.
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« Reply #3575 on: 03-05-10 at 09:40 am »

Oh hi hyper-literal 1L

Wrong.  Not a 1L or even a student. 

gunner

Correct.

in bottom 50%

Wrong.

who forgot that "hearsay" has a non-legal meaning!

Wrong.  Hearsay is a legal term of art.  If divested from its legal meaning, it would have no meaning at all. 
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« Reply #3576 on: 03-05-10 at 11:39 am »

Wrong.  Not a 1L or even a student. 

Lucky for you.

Wrong.  Hearsay is a legal term of art.  If divested from its legal meaning, it would have no meaning at all. 

If you believe I am stupid enough to believe you are this stupid, you are...stupid. 

Incidentally, do you work at the USPTO?
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« Reply #3577 on: 03-05-10 at 02:52 pm »

Wrong.  Hearsay is a legal term of art.  If divested from its legal meaning, it would have no meaning at all. 

If you believe I am stupid enough to believe you are this stupid, you are...stupid. 

Incidentally, do you work at the USPTO?

Alright, horsechute.  Why don't you articulate the "non-legal" meaning of hearsay for us?
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« Reply #3578 on: 03-05-10 at 03:08 pm »

Wrong.  Hearsay is a legal term of art.  If divested from its legal meaning, it would have no meaning at all. 

If you believe I am stupid enough to believe you are this stupid, you are...stupid. 

Incidentally, do you work at the USPTO?

Alright, horsechute.  Why don't you articulate the "non-legal" meaning of hearsay for us?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hearsay

Navigating these interwebs is understandably difficult, especially in this economy.
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« Reply #3579 on: 03-05-10 at 04:07 pm »


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hearsay

Navigating these interwebs is understandably difficult, especially in this economy.

You really are that dumb, aren't you?  You provide a definition which says heresay means (1) "rumor" or (2) the legal definition that I referred to.

None of the three types of statements I describe would qualify as "rumors," and thus your observation is completely irrelevant as to my original post.  Moreover, the statement "nearly everything we hear, including what we read in this blog, is [rumor]" is laughably false.  Thus the horsechute/whokebe dual personality still remains flatly incorrect.
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« Reply #3580 on: 03-05-10 at 04:21 pm »


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hearsay

Navigating these interwebs is understandably difficult, especially in this economy.

You really are that dumb, aren't you?  You provide a definition which says heresay means (1) "rumor" or (2) the legal definition that I referred to.

None of the three types of statements I describe would qualify as "rumors," and thus your observation is completely irrelevant as to my original post.  Moreover, the statement "nearly everything we hear, including what we read in this blog, is [rumor]" is laughably false.  Thus the horsechute/whokebe dual personality still remains flatly incorrect.

You seem to be having a great deal of trouble with this.  I'll try to slow it down.

The link wasn't provided as evidence of anything that contradicted your original post; rather, it showed that "hearsay" has a non-technical meaning, which you disputed in your subsequent post (and yet readily conceded directly above).

Sorry your reading comprehension problems precluded your cracking 158 on the LSAT, but I'm not really the guy you need to take this out on.
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« Reply #3581 on: 03-07-10 at 12:16 pm »

Hey guys, dont mean to be off topic, but do USPTO employees here have Verizon wireless service?

Just wondering if you get good signal quality from verizon.

I personally know that both ATT and Tmobile have on/off service especially in certain bldgs on campus.

And I've heard Sprint is pretty much the same story.

-joey
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« Reply #3582 on: 03-07-10 at 02:10 pm »

ATT and Verizon access is fine, Sprint is definitely iffy.
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« Reply #3583 on: 03-07-10 at 05:15 pm »

So is the hiring over at PTO already or are they still accepting applications from former examiners?

this whole thing interests me b/c I'm really curious to see how far the PTO takes this.
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« Reply #3584 on: 03-07-10 at 05:33 pm »

So is the hiring over at PTO already or are they still accepting applications from former examiners?

this whole thing interests me b/c I'm really curious to see how far the PTO takes this.

News changes daily at the PTO...one day they will say one thing, and the next completely reverse their stance. As I understand it, the PTO will not have sufficient funding to hire and train at will until FY2011. So I believe in the meantime, only "experienced" people in the IP field are being considered...that is, those who don't need as much training.
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