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« Reply #3555 on: 03-01-10 at 04:20 pm » |
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"They also said that prosecution experience as a summer associate in a law firm counts."
LOL. Patent Attorneys begging for work as patent examiners. I thought I would never see the day.
What they don't know is that they will be put in a room with about 20 other new examiners, and making the same kind of bogus rejections that they used to laugh so hard at when they were on the other side of the fence that it put their kidneys into dialysis. Not to mention the fact that they will be forced to show their work to some SPE who is about half their age and has an IQ that lies somewhere between that of a feather duster and a pine cone.
And as for that marriage they thought they could patch up with all the extra time that the government job has to offer? Well, now they find that most examiners, at least for the first couple of years, often come in on weekends, and have to burn their vacation just to make their production. Oh, and I almost forgot. Now they are making half as much money as they used to.
But I suppose it could have been worse. At least they didn't lose the house. And when things pick up, maybe they can get their old jobs back. But in the meantime, I would suggest that they stay away from the local bars in Alexandria, especially around noon. They need the space for the people who have decided to try to make a career out of the place.
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« Reply #3556 on: 03-01-10 at 07:11 pm » |
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Not to mention the fact that they will be forced to show their work to some SPE who is about half their age and has an IQ that lies somewhere between that of a feather duster and a pine cone.
I tend to doubt 50 year-olds with decades of experience are the ones applying. I think this is geared more towards first and second year associates who got canned and still need some experience to be marketable. In that regard, it seems like a decent deal for everyone concerned. Having worked at a law firm, I'm eager to see what actually goes on in the PTO, and like somebody else pointed out there are (supposedly) opportunities to advance to pretty cushy lawyer jobs. Does anybody know if it's possible to request a 'niche' type AU, or do they just stick you wherever? |
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« Reply #3557 on: 03-01-10 at 07:24 pm » |
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In normal times you can (and should) request an AU by calling a SPE, or just telling the recruiter you are interested in a certain area of technology, like canning machines. But nowdays, who knows. Best of luck.
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« Reply #3558 on: 03-01-10 at 08:42 pm » |
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Does anybody know if it's possible to request a 'niche' type AU, or do they just stick you wherever?
They put you where you are needed most (within reason). |
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« Reply #3559 on: 03-02-10 at 06:53 am » |
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Not to mention the fact that they will be forced to show their work to some SPE who is about half their age and has an IQ that lies somewhere between that of a feather duster and a pine cone.
I tend to doubt 50 year-olds with decades of experience are the ones applying. I think this is geared more towards first and second year associates who got canned and still need some experience to be marketable. In that regard, it seems like a decent deal for everyone concerned. Having worked at a law firm, I'm eager to see what actually goes on in the PTO, and like somebody else pointed out there are (supposedly) opportunities to advance to pretty cushy lawyer jobs. Does anybody know if it's possible to request a 'niche' type AU, or do they just stick you wherever? I tend to doubt the PTO is dumb enough to hire first and second year associates looking to use the PTO to enhance their resume and dump the PTO the first chance they get. Then again maybe they are dumb enough based on the prior management performance. |
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« Reply #3560 on: 03-02-10 at 09:57 am » |
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Not to mention the fact that they will be forced to show their work to some SPE who is about half their age and has an IQ that lies somewhere between that of a feather duster and a pine cone.
I tend to doubt 50 year-olds with decades of experience are the ones applying. I think this is geared more towards first and second year associates who got canned and still need some experience to be marketable. In that regard, it seems like a decent deal for everyone concerned. Having worked at a law firm, I'm eager to see what actually goes on in the PTO, and like somebody else pointed out there are (supposedly) opportunities to advance to pretty cushy lawyer jobs. Does anybody know if it's possible to request a 'niche' type AU, or do they just stick you wherever? I tend to doubt the PTO is dumb enough to hire first and second year associates looking to use the PTO to enhance their resume and dump the PTO the first chance they get. Then again maybe they are dumb enough based on the prior management performance. If by "experienced IP professionals" they are excluding laid off IP associates, I'm not sure how they are hoping to round up two thousand examiners. Then again maybe they *are* dumb enough based on the prior management performance. |
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« Reply #3561 on: 03-02-10 at 01:29 pm » |
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The number of people they say they are going to hire varies each month according to what the current winning lotto numbers are. About six months ago, I remember reading 300, then they raised it to 1000, and now it is back down to 500. I suppose that next month it will be 400.5.
And their saying they have 3,000 resumes on file has got to be totally wrong. During the 2001 recession, they had over 4,000, and that one was nowhere near as bad or long as this. Also, if during good times they take 1/10 applicants, like Dudas once said, then you would need more than double that number of applicants.
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« Reply #3562 on: 03-02-10 at 02:09 pm » |
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The number of people they say they are going to hire varies each month according to what the current winning lotto numbers are. About six months ago, I remember reading 300, then they raised it to 1000, and now it is back down to 500. I suppose that next month it will be 400.5.
Not sure where you are getting these figures. New fiscal budget released a month ago forecast "a targeted hiring surge and hire 1,000 patent examiners annually during FY 2011 and FY 2012." And their saying they have 3,000 resumes on file has got to be totally wrong. During the 2001 recession, they had over 4,000, and that one was nowhere near as bad or long as this.
Who said they had over 4,000 resumes? HR? LOL. |
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« Reply #3563 on: 03-02-10 at 02:17 pm » |
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if during good times they take 1/10 applicants, like Dudas once said I don't believe it. Not at all. During the good times, the PTO hired any EE/ECE/CS with a pulse. Are you sure he didn't mean that the PTO can retain 1/10 new hires? That I'd believe. |
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« Reply #3564 on: 03-02-10 at 02:42 pm » |
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Sorry but, that is what I read, and I have no reason or desire to be inaccurate. I tried to google the article, but can't find it. Also, I never limited it to EE/ECE/CS. See column 5, line 15. Further, it does not seem unrealistic to me. What do you expect, they hire 1/4? Now that would be unrealistic. How many organizations hire, say, 1/7 people? Maybe bowling alleys and pizza delivery companies. I know the acceptance rate at good aerospace companies, like the former TRW, used to be around 5 percent (or less).
Where am I getting the figures? Even after having been an examiner, I still have an elephants memory. But you will never see the 4,000 plus resumes cited in an article, I heard that one word of mouth.
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« Reply #3565 on: 03-02-10 at 03:25 pm » |
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Where am I getting the figures? Even after having been an examiner, I still have an elephants memory. But you will never see the 4,000 plus resumes cited in an article, I heard that one word of mouth.
Interesting, because that's exactly where I heard the current 3000 figure. |
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« Reply #3566 on: 03-02-10 at 03:41 pm » |
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This is where I heard it:
"There was a meeting today where it was announced that there were around 3,000 resumes sitting in HR. Obviously the PTO can only hire a fraction of the 3000, but it shows that there is temporary demand I suppose."
Sounds credible enough to me. Then again, its not my problem.
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« Reply #3567 on: 03-02-10 at 04:12 pm » |
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This is where I heard it:
"There was a meeting today where it was announced that there were around 3,000 resumes sitting in HR. Obviously the PTO can only hire a fraction of the 3000, but it shows that there is temporary demand I suppose."
Sounds credible enough to me. Then again, its not my problem.
So it is credible or not? Above you said it "has got to be totally wrong." |
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« Reply #3568 on: 03-02-10 at 04:28 pm » |
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Ha Ha. It looks like you got me. Painful byprodut of doing some work and trying to tease the kitty at the same time. I must say, though, you do seem to have a bit of talent for cross-examination. If I had seen that side of you before, I might have suggested a career working in a prosecutors office.
At any rate, I guess your point is that nearly everything we hear, including what we read in this blog, is hearsay, so that we should just disregard it all. If that is true, then why are you here? I think what I said in my initial post is correct, and for your own sake, I hope you don't get a job at the PTO.
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« Reply #3569 on: 03-02-10 at 09:32 pm » |
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If that is true, then why are you here? I think what I said in my initial post is correct, and for your own sake, I hope you don't get a job at the PTO.
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