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Re: Antecedent fun
« Reply #15 on: 02-10-10 at 02:08 pm »

I trust Justice Brandeis' opinion over that of the author of the answers.com article, Martha A. Field, but only because the constitution charged the supremes with the review.   Had the constitution vested review in Martha A. Field, I'd trust her opinion more.  Erie had more significance than most realize, in overturning Swift, certainly more than I've seen in any modern books on FRCP.

"There is no general federal common law".    I don't know what could be plainer than that.
 

oh noes, there is no "general" federal common law.... so there must not be any federal common law, right?  So what are all these academic pointeads talking about in their fancy-shmancy law review articles, such as this one - http://www.nd.edu/~ndlrev/archive_public/83ndlr4/Young.pdf ?  Google too must have gotten it wrong, since even a cursory Google search gives you plenty of other examples and explanations of the "federal common law."

But you wouldn't bother with doing a bit of research before continually arguing on the internet, right? Clearly, all these dupes have not read Justice Brandeis opinion, which is like, really really plain and clear, as all Supreme Court opinions.  But thank God you read it and clearly understood it and can now set all of us, malpracticing lawyers, straight.
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Re: Antecedent fun
« Reply #16 on: 02-10-10 at 02:19 pm »

I trust Justice Brandeis' opinion over that of the author of the answers.com article, Martha A. Field, but only because the constitution charged the supremes with the review.   Had the constitution vested review in Martha A. Field, I'd trust her opinion more.  Erie had more significance than most realize, in overturning Swift, certainly more than I've seen in any modern books on FRCP.

"There is no general federal common law".    I don't know what could be plainer than that.
 

oh noes, there is no "general" federal common law.... so there must not be any federal common law, right?  So what are all these academic pointeads talking about in their fancy-shmancy law review articles, such as this one - http://www.nd.edu/~ndlrev/archive_public/83ndlr4/Young.pdf ?  Google too must have gotten it wrong, since even a cursory Google search gives you plenty of other examples and explanations of the "federal common law."

But you wouldn't bother with doing a bit of research before continually arguing on the internet, right? Clearly, all these dupes have not read Justice Brandeis opinion, which is like, really really plain and clear, as all Supreme Court opinions.  But thank God you read it and clearly understood it and can now set all of us, malpracticing lawyers, straight.

Wow.

Thanks for the link.


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Re: Antecedent fun
« Reply #17 on: 02-10-10 at 03:08 pm »


Regards.

Thanks for your replies too.
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Re: Antecedent fun
« Reply #18 on: 02-10-10 at 03:33 pm »

They're from the common law (i.e. judge made).


1) There is no federal common law; and
2) Laws aren't made by judges.
Umm...fail civil procedure much? Or are you European?

If there's any federal common law, I'd say its the UCC.
WOW, are you really a member of some state's bar? The UCC isn't common law and it isn't federal.

Edit: Opps...sorry just went to your website and realized you're in fact not a lawyer, just an agent. Though it might be wise to not comment on topics you're not versed in.
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Re: Antecedent fun
« Reply #19 on: 02-10-10 at 04:21 pm »

Bilski will be an interpretation of that which already exists.

Wow.  I find that rather astonishing.  Let me know how that goes, casting Bilski as just one possible interpretation of the law, that examiners, the BPAI, and the Federal Circuit are free to disregard.

The only way I can make any sense at all of what you're writing is if I ignore all I know of the law and treat "law" as synonymous with "statute" (which it is not).

To address that erroneous belief, let me quote Webster of 1913.

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Law \Law\ (l[add]), n. [OE. lawe, laghe, AS. lagu, from the root
   of E. lie: akin to OS. lag, Icel. l["o]g, Sw. lag, Dan. lov;
   cf. L. lex, E. legal. A law is that which is laid, set, or
   fixed; like statute, fr. L. statuere to make to stand. See
   Lie to be prostrate.]
   1. In general, a rule of being or of conduct, established by
      an authority able to enforce its will; a controlling
      regulation; the mode or order according to which an agent
      or a power acts.
      [1913 Webster]

   Note: A law may be universal or particular, written or
         unwritten, published or secret. From the nature of the
         highest laws a degree of permanency or stability is
         always implied; but the power which makes a law, or a
         superior power, may annul or change it.
         [1913 Webster]

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   4. In human government:
      (a) An organic rule, as a constitution or charter,
          establishing and defining the conditions of the
          existence of a state or other organized community.
      (b) Any edict, decree, order, ordinance, statute,
          resolution, judicial, decision, usage, etc., or
          recognized, and enforced, by the controlling
          authority.
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Hmmm....  I see more in there than statutes. 

Here's what "common law" means:

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   Common law, a system of jurisprudence developing under the
      guidance of the courts so as to apply a consistent and
      reasonable rule to each litigated case. It may be
      superseded by statute, but unless superseded it controls.
      --Wharton.

   Note: It is by others defined as the unwritten law
         (especially of England), the law that receives its
         binding force from immemorial usage and universal
         reception, as ascertained and expressed in the
         judgments of the courts. This term is often used in
         contradistinction from statute law. Many use it to
         designate a law common to the whole country. It is also
         used to designate the whole body of English (or other)
         law, as distinguished from its subdivisions, local,
         civil, admiralty, equity, etc. See Law.

Also take a look at "common law trademarks".  I don't keep up with trademark law, so it's possible that those don't exist any more, but it certainly wasn't Eerie that did away with those.

In general, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a single person who's completed one year of law school that would agree that courts do not make law and that there is no federal common law after Eerie.

This will be my last word on that topic for a while.

Regards.
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Re: Antecedent fun
« Reply #20 on: 02-10-10 at 04:47 pm »

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They're from the common law (i.e. judge made).


1) There is no federal common law; and
2) Laws aren't made by judges.
Umm...fail civil procedure much? Or are you European?

Quote from: ChrisWhewell on Today at 12:15 pm
If there's any federal common law, I'd say its the UCC.
WOW, are you really a member of some state's bar? The UCC isn't common law and it isn't federal.

Edit: Opps...sorry just went to your website and realized you're in fact not a lawyer, just an agent. Though it might be wise to not comment on topics you're not versed in.


Thanks.  I thought commenting like that would bring feedback I might not otherwise receive so quickly on such a nebulous topic, and I appreciate those who provided constructive replies.  In retrospect, my approach could have been different though.  
My mom passed in November and my dad in December and I'm still happy and upbeat, just different.  49 years of them and suddenly they're gone.  Those events and other "changes" happening are astounding.   Have a good evening.

 
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« Reply #21 on: 02-10-10 at 04:54 pm »

My mom passed in November and my dad in December and I'm still happy and upbeat, just different.  49 years of them and suddenly they're gone.  

So, so sorry, Chris.  Best wishes to you.....

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« Reply #22 on: 02-10-10 at 04:55 pm »

"Quote from: ChrisWhewell on Today at 01:33 pm
Bilski will be an interpretation of that which already exists.

Wow.  I find that rather astonishing.  Let me know how that goes, casting Bilski as just one possible interpretation of the law, that examiners, the BPAI, and the Federal Circuit are free to disregard."


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Jim,  I never wrote it would be "just one possible interpretation" of the law and you know it - those are your words, not mine.  
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« Reply #23 on: 02-10-10 at 05:02 pm »

My mom passed in November and my dad in December and I'm still happy and upbeat, just different.  49 years of them and suddenly they're gone.  

So, so sorry, Chris.  Best wishes to you.....

Jim

Thanks.  I shouldn't have mentioned that perhaps and don't want to derail the thread anymore than I already have but I wanted to share a little bit of how quickly things change and maybe I'm not myself.  Or maybe I am  :)    I'll say that overall I've changed the way I view and treat others quite a bit because of it, wanting to be more like my dad.   Thanks for your replies on this, its been a topic of confusion for me for a while and since its outside of what I do I never had reason to get into it deeply.  A few minutes of reading replies on here have helped.
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« Reply #24 on: 02-10-10 at 05:26 pm »

Thanks.  I thought commenting like that would bring feedback I might not otherwise receive so quickly on such a nebulous topic, and I appreciate those who provided constructive replies.  In retrospect, my approach could have been different though.  
My mom passed in November and my dad in December and I'm still happy and upbeat, just different.  49 years of them and suddenly they're gone.  Those events and other "changes" happening are astounding.   Have a good evening.
Yes, it did bring feedback, though the curt nature of your post made me react in an unbecoming manner. In retrospect I think both our approaches could have been different (I know mine could have). Losing your parents is an horrible period in ones life and I'm sorry you're going through that right now. Best wishes.
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« Reply #25 on: 02-10-10 at 06:00 pm »

Its ok dablueman.  Thanks for the good wishes, and please understand I don't hold any grudges etc. for anything like this.  :)  I  hope the other readers will forgive me for writing this much off-topic. 


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« Reply #26 on: 02-10-10 at 06:54 pm »

"I hope the other readers will forgive me for writing this much off topic" - Of course we do.
My thoughts are with you.

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