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[Jp]

The Illustration depicts two fish hook models,
#1 is mine concept developed and date documented in July 2009

#2 seems to belong to a major company  where I found it in an issue dated Sept. 2009.


The purpose of the addition, i.e., (device), your seeing is it serves in certain ways to hold the bait on the hook.

My question is since it is within the 12 month development period, . .and concerning the American patent laws,

am I within my rights to assume that I still have the right to develop and

patent the present and improved models if in fact the invention I conceived is

of an earlier date ?


http://i45.tinypic.com/2i87kfa.png

[DogDayPM 9er9er9er]

If I understand the scenario correctly, theoretically yes.  You should disclose the Sept 2009 art in your IDS, and be prepared to argue earlier invention.  Not sure how that would play out, though, since if the company is showing production photos in Sept they've likely had the thing completed more than just 2 months prior.

And in case the hooks are not just an example but your actual invention (hook 1), you might want to do some further searching.  I've been using varieties of shaft-barbed hooks for +/- 30 years, if memory serves.  These were more like hook #2 than your hook, except rather than using a second material added onto the shaft metal they had a series of barbs which were sprung out of the shaft metal itself.  You maybe already have seen these and intended your #1 as an improvement to them - just thought I'd mention.

[Jp]

DogDayPM,

Yes, I know the barbed hooks you mention, I did not think about that at the time,
I was writing the post, . . that does leave a large opening for the compeitors development, that probably will have very little support in my favor, . . but that concerns barbs,  only there is more to the story, and in my thinking there is more than the eye sees, . . . This all began with see an advertisement published in Sept. , and your right, it, . .

( Not sure how that would play out, though, since if the company is showing production photos in Sept they've likely had the thing completed more than just 2 months prior. )

However I am leery of that since the first ad was presented as an associate
of the large big named corp.

What I am leery of is the use of Provisional Patents to steer around small inventors and I could say alot about that, and will, especially if probed, .
but for now I will leave that up to your imagination, . . .

but to get back to associates in the advertising world claiming new products and or improvements.

The model shown in my illustration was provided to me by the publisher of the Trade Journal, . .

previously I queried the manufacture, but they neglected to answer.

The #1 Illustration my concept is an alternative model of the original concept,

which you probably have no knowledge of, . . . however you did say,

(your #1 as an improvement to them), . . complimentary, but, No fault or blame to you intended but, I am sure you do not know what it is, or at least I don't think so, . .

I may take up the opportunity to mention it if necessary.

But for now let me show you this, . .

Here is a look at the ad I question and it does not really look a lot like the illustration provide to me by the publisher.

http://i45.tinypic.com/15ejqqq.jpg

Which looks very much like my original conception, (not illustrated), but as you see compared to the illustration that is suppose to represent their product #2,
barbed does not come into the imagination of the reader when looking at that.

Also, there is not one word in the printed matter about the devised hook shaft it is all about how sharp the hook is.

I think there is something fishy here, well anyway you would at least think they would show you something that was explainable and where you could see the advantage presented, they do not do that and I saw that as rather peculiar, for someone who wants to advertise a new product, and there was no textual description.

[DogDayPM 9er9er9er]

What I am leery of is the use of Provisional Patents to steer around small inventors and I could say alot about that, and will, especially if probed, but for now I will leave that up to your imagination, . . .

Sorry, I'm just laughing like heck here imagining someone huddled in their cellar with foil hat on, worried about alien abductions and probings.

But back to your question - I agree that the photo you provided in your most recent post does not look like the barbed shanks (I think the publisher providing you photos must have taken the easy way out and just tossed you a pic to hope you'd go away).  Instead, it looks like a standard line-wrapped shank (provides reduced line stress so less chance of the line snapping at the eyelet during phishing).

I'm out, dood.  It's the holidays. 

P.S.  As to your original, it appears the appendage you added to the shaft was intended to reduce bait hook slippage.

[Jp]

dood !

Looking at this from your point of view I agree there is amusement.

For a moment.

The thing is, an aluminum, fully foilized hat could be press molded and would be,

not only profitable, but appropriate, for marketing to people that believe that

there Provisional Patents are never peeked into, or that when someone who

has been noticed as a successful inventor or a designer with talents of

originality, ah let me quote,

Ernest Hemingway, (about artist), . . "attract organized crime", . .

without a doubt, in some cases be discovered by computer spys who are

interested in more than your shopping habits, are out there waiting to snag a

quick Mill !

Once the Wolf has a taste of Lamb, his life is inevitably changed forever.


(I think the publisher providing you photos must have taken the easy way out and just tossed you a pic to hope you'd go away). , . .

No, they tossed it to the general public the, "pic", i.e., the close up enlargement, was from the publisher, how and where they got it I do not know, I think I will ask them about the difference, hey, . . that way you can relax, . . enjoy the Holidays, . an I'll get back to you with more.

Hey, they said that J E Hoover was paranoid, . . life was better then !

We didn't have to live and walk around knee deep in this stuff.

Seriously, your light hearted humor and conversation is appreciated, . 

 don't overdo your celebrating, and have a Happy New Year !




P.S

The difference is improved version since the photo in September !

  HMmmmm . . . . . . ?