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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: novelty/unobvious[ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ Patent Forum ] [ FAQ ] Posted by in the know on March 25, 2003 at 12:44:41: In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: novelty/unobvious posted by jld on March 24, 2003 at 15:36:50:
: : : : : : : : : M. Arthur Auslander : : : : I really dont understand what your point is with your cryptic useless posts Auslander... You have a clever knack for pointing out the obvious but dont seem interested in actually helping people here. Doesn't seem like you know all that much. I deal with IP attorneys everyday and very few are smart. I am examiner, but I am a hell of alot smarter than many of these attorneys. Many are incompetent. I've read a great portion of your posts here and you sound like you just want customers. How about establishing some street credibility here?? If a person asks a question, they deserve an answer, not you BS. : : : Dear In the Know, : : : : Mr. Auslander, alot of what you say is simply common sense. I know for a fact that many independent inventors tend to be a smart bunch that often times do not consider the economics of getting a patent. Obviously some ideas are useless and some are good. I am not a sheltered goverment employee as you might think. I have worked in R&D with a medical device company before I came here to PTO. I am all about the business end of IP law even though my job is to just examine. I'm just doing my time in this hole until I can finish law school. Then I'm outta here. Basically what your trying to point out to people here in a very cryptic and ineffective way is this: : : inventor, you have an idea... so what. How is it useful? Will it actually sell? Is there anything like it out there? Is Your idea an improvement rather than just a variation. A variation on a shaving razor without any performance improvement is only useful if you are attempting to enter a market having a monopolist by introducing a product variation thus defeating the monopoly. Can you afford to pay patent maintanence fees? Do you have manufacturing facilities set up or planned for? Distribution? Marketing/advertising? : : This, in my opinion is all just common sense. You are sounding a bit like an all in one business advisor. Maybe you should say this very simple thing: my goal is to help you, the inventor see if your invention is even worth pursuing a patent for. I think this is what you mean by your signature, but repeat this everytime you post, and you get boring prety quick. I think you know this so you throw in these fancy cryptic explanations just wetting an inventor's appetite to the point where they will come to your for help. Like one fella here said: this is an open forum, not your private advertising arena. There is plenty of business to go around that you dont have to troll around here pointing out how difficult the process is all the while your sig screams "solution". Like I said, and I will repeat: this is an open forum and people post to get concrete answers, not fluff. I really wish you would see that. You wouldnt dilute your marketability by showing off your knowlede a bit, but you would gain a rep here as someone who is knowledgable and competent. In short, someone who might be a good person to contact. You're an IP attorney, you're obviously a smart one, but you can def optimize the manner by which you approach the posts of users here. : : Mr.A. you are right about the claims of a patent. However, for the sake of new technology, an inventor should not be scared of the system of IP law. We should have faith in the system. When a patent is granted by the laws and rules of the United States, that should say it all. You have brought up a very very very good point!! Unfortunately, I am gonna let you in on a very dirty little secret that many people dont know: Patent applications are examined on a production line, literally. Examiners have a quota to meet each week. quality and quantity are inversely proportional. The PTO has a massive backlog of cases, IP industry is pissed, they want cases examined faster and with higher quality. Impossible to do both. Each week a minimum number of patent applications must be processed. Check out POPA.org. Examiner's union. Examiner's simply dont have enough time to thoroughly research a patent application to make sure its perfect and that all interference issues are taken care of. The problem is that the PTO does not make enough money to hire enough patent examiners to decrease our workload by say... 80% so that we could examiner an application in 40 hours rather that 10-12 hrs. A popular saying around here is "we're not making ferrari's here...rather, we're making a chevy. Yeah, it would be awesome if quality of patents were great, but the PTO cant deliver that kind of quality without increasing the patent examination corps by 200-300% and decreasing everybodys workload so that we can do a quality job. makes sense?
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