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montgomery c. bondy
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Re: Need help with Patent Infringement
« Reply #5 on: Nov 1st, 2007, 10:40am »
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that last note was too harsh. i remember hosting a philosophy cafe. one guest responded to something i said with;"if you don't like the world the way it is then you know what you can do" she was suggesting that i could kill myself. i dont know what is stuck in the craw of people who say such heartless things. i really hope that you get some justice. it takes a lot of effort to get as far as you have. i will be trying to sell or licence one of my products soon and just because there are greedy people out there does not mean that i will not try to move forward as you have done.
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Re: Need help with Patent Infringement
« Reply #6 on: Nov 2nd, 2007, 10:24am »
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I hope nobody else thought I was suggesting that a poster "off" herself. My comment was strictly about risk.
 
I'd say most of the people in this country (US) work in relatively cushy jobs with relatively little risk.  They get the same income every pay period and know exactly what they'll be doing at work for the foreseeable future.  The 30-year mortgage was made for these people.  Patents were not.
 
Patents are inherently risky as far as business assets go.  We see many posts here from people who believe they have a clever idea and want to extract many dollar from it, but don't want to (or can't) invest any money, don't want to invest much time or effort, and want to experience no risk.  It just doesn't work that way.
 
If you want no risk, stay in the cushy job and keep collecting your paycheck.  As a famous court opinion once said, "the timorous may stay at home."  Bonus points: Holmes, Hand, or Cardozo?  Someone else?  Then extra bonus points.
 
I don't mean to be harsh, just honest.  Every attempt to make money from a new idea is risky.  There's nothing wrong with avoiding risky things.  But people should not have the unreasonable expectation that profiting from an idea is easy or risk-free.
 
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Re: Need help with Patent Infringement
« Reply #7 on: Nov 15th, 2007, 12:09am »
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Dear James,
 
I understand your point of view, and I think that you under estimate the risks inventors go through everyday, the amount of time they have to invest, the effort of doing a patent, the effort of making sure that what they build will actually sell. Do you even empathize this.....
 
All your saying is when a big company crushes an inventor, its part of the game... its the risk that he takes, the hell with that! an inventor can put more work and effort than the effort your whole familly tree has ever done so and still get crushed by a big company..  because the inventor does not have the money. So what does the effort factor have to do with all this. The rules should be changed! Yaeh, the dam rules need to be amended to protect inventors!
 
Let me explain to you something....  have you ever seen an inventor with a clever idea every making success... very few I suppose. Why is that? I will tell why.  
 
I don't know what kind of inventors you know, but to come on this site and tell me that if I don't like the way big companies crush small inventors and that small inventors expect alot of success for little effort and therefore I should go back to my  boring day job is a very poor statement in my view. This tells me that you never really invented a product which required several years to accomplish.
 
Get this into your head buddy! Most inventors that complain are actually trying to tell you that in spite of all the *effort* they have invested, all the money, all the social degradation they go through, the marriages that fall apart due to extra effort invested in the invention, the lack of respect from freinds that are non believers of his invention and peer pressure from familly that can't believe that the inventor is so involved in an invention... we as inventors are somewhat eager to finally atleast see some light at the end of the tunnel.  
 
You see what you don't understand is that, most inventors go through alot of term oil and problematic scenarios and how are they thanked for, a big company crushes them, are you so blind that you don't see the unfairness in all of this, and f**k off with the "this is business" lingo will you.. I don't want to hear that saying anymore from anyone, because let me tell you something about "business". You buy something that some poor soul has spit blood to invent... and turn around and simply sell it for a dam freaking profit.... that to me is not that big of a deal... its a looser in my book, you know why, because I have been in business for 12 years and inventing is alot harder than selling, especially if the product almost sells by itself.
 
So this is the deal, let some innocent fools (inventors) rattle their brains out for years to invent something, and when it works (how convinient mr. business man) come in and take the inventor to court until he has no more money and gives up his patent. Thats why small inventors never see success. You f****in crooks! Thats the *UNFAIRNESS* that discusts me. So maybe, if you have no imagination for creating an invention, perhaps you should go do a boring simple day job that requires no brains or imagination.
 
Sorry for being so harsh, but agian the IP legalities need to be changed, changed, changed, now, nowm now!!!!! to protect inventors
 
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Re: Need help with Patent Infringement
« Reply #8 on: Nov 19th, 2007, 12:43pm »
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on Nov 15th, 2007, 12:09am, rougie wrote:
have you ever seen an inventor with a clever idea every making success... very few I suppose. Why is that? I will tell why.

 
I can't speak for Jim,  I can say that I have seen inventors make money off of clever ideas.  Generally they are able to do so because they relentlessly work their butts off, take initiative, and find ways to make things happen rather than make excuses as to whats possible or impossible.
 
Is it unfair that a big company seems to have things that much easier?  Well, think about all the time, effort, and money which was required to make that big company large and powerful.  Running an established big company requires a great deal of time, effort, and money to begin with, and many "big companies" out there were once upon a time started from scratch as small cash strapped companies (or as cash strapped individuals with a simple concept).  Is it not right for them to reap benefits?
 
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All your saying is when a big company crushes an inventor, its part of the game...

 
And when an inventor crushes a big company, or simply profits from it, thats part of the game too
 
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because the inventor does not have the money.

 
Who says the inventor can't get the money?  If he/she truly has a great, profitable idea, and works hard enough to find potential investors, and to communicate the opportunity to them accurately and persuasively - shouldn't the inventor be able to find investment?  I've seen it happen.
 
Don't want to involve an investor?  Incorporate (it might make sense anyway).  Should cost less than $100.  If you have respectable personal credit, this should allow you to take out a large credit line which is not tied to your personal credit.  Or, simply spend time developing your corporate credit.  Then - regardless of personal credit, you may be able to get a smaller (but large enough) credit line without a personal guarantee - which means that if you default, your company goes bankrupt, and not yourself.  There might be a lot of risk involved either way - but that goes back to Jim's point.
 
I don't point this stuff out to advocate taking out a large credit line when you are unsure you will be able to pay it back (especially when you may have a family's welfare at stake).  My point is simply that there are usually ways to make things happen if you truly want them to happen badly enough - even as a cash strapped inventor.  Its just that the average person on some level, would rather throw up their hands and be a victim rather than put forth the effort necessary to make certain things happen, and/or they don't feel comfortable taking large risks.  And there's nothing wrong with that.  But its reality, and its one reason why some companies become "big" and immensely profitable while many others remain small and semi-profitable at best.
 
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I don't know what kind of inventors you know, but to come on this site and tell me that if I don't like the way big companies crush small inventors and that small inventors expect alot of success for little effort and therefore I should go back to my  boring day job is a very poor statement in my view.

 
How is a big company going to crush you?  If you do everything right, you won't get "crushed" simply because a company is bigger than you.  Don't have money to litigate?  Once again, if you truly have a good enough case against a company and there is a lot of money at stake - it might be easier said than done - but you're not doing things right and/or you're not putting in enough effort if you can't find just one financially secure person or firm to back your litigation efforts.      
 
Again, it might be easier said than done, but thats life, not just inventing.
 
I don't really see where Jim says that anyway.  As far as I can read, he just points out that if you are unwilling to deal with the inherent risks of doing anything other than your boring day job, then you should go back to it.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Need help with Patent Infringement
« Reply #9 on: Nov 20th, 2007, 11:46pm »
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hello, my reply will be spread out on the next few posts!
 
I must say that my lats post (from rougie) was posted on an off day...You caught me on a very bad moment and triggered harsh feedback, and I apologize.
 
 
>I can't speak for Jim,  I can say that I have seen inventors >make money off of clever ideas.  Generally they are able to >do so because they relentlessly work their butts off, take >initiative, and find ways to make things happen rather than >make excuses as to whats possible or impossible.  
 
>Its just that the average person on some level, would rather >throw up their hands and be a victim rather than put forth >the effort necessary to make certain things happen, and/or >they don't feel comfortable taking large risks. And there's >nothing wrong with that.  But its reality, and its one reason >why some companies become "big" and immensely >profitable while many others remain small and semi-profitable >at best.  
 
Yes you are talking about the winny inventors! But for the ones that succeed, I think its more a question of timming and not effort... keep reading as I explain this!
 
First, most inventors that invent complicated products as I am, in the fields of programming, electronics, chemical or any other scientific nature which takes a minimum of 5 to 8 years to develop, are individuals who truely devote themselves... agree? So your comment above, doesn't really apply to me or most persistant inventors. I can't really speak about other inventors, but if an inventor invents a special paper clip that took him a month to prototype and makes excuses as to whats possible or impossible rather than making things happen... we must agree that this is not a true and persistant inventor.  
 
Take me, I am not trying to give up or anything, I just want to know where I stand, I work day, evening, nights and weekends for months in a row before I take *one* sunday off, like all true inventors do ! The worry of failure becomes a serious factor. Taking large risks? I take them everyday, I am in business ain't I! And as for the product, a great deal of effort is invested in my part, and any persistant inventor will have no problem with that. Basically I am talking about real strong charactered inventors with an inourmous will to succeed which are treated unfairly. I am not talking about the weak ones.
 
>And when an inventor crushes a big company, or simply >profits from it, thats part of the game too
 
Give me a comparison of how many times this happened versus the times that a big company crushes a small company or an inventor!!!
 
I think you are being very optimistic on this one!
 
Please continue on the next post>>>
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