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(Message started by: patdrafter93 on Mar 30th, 2007, 3:41pm)

Title: prior art search companies?
Post by patdrafter93 on Mar 30th, 2007, 3:41pm
trying to get some info on a few companies to send searches to - anyone had experience with any of the following search firms??

landon IP
nerac
mogambosolutions
intellevate

any comments would be appreciated

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Bill Richards on Mar 31st, 2007, 4:55am
I've had some experience with Nerac.  They are very good, very thorough, and their people are at least somewhat expert in the technology area.  The other plus for them is that they have an extensive group of technical databases they can search, not just patent literature.  I do recall they're quite expensive, however.

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Eric Frehold on Apr 3rd, 2007, 3:30pm
NERAC isn't best designed for traditional prior art searches, however.  I've used each of the companies on this list and have always gotten the best results from Landon.  They also have extensive non-patent and technical literature resources, and have the fastest turn-around time.  They are also on the expensive side, but if I can have my searches done well in a timely fashion, it's worth the extra $

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Eric Frehold on Apr 3rd, 2007, 3:32pm
Intellevate sends all their stuff to India...

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Chris Berken on Apr 4th, 2007, 10:01pm
I work for a national patent prosecution firm and regularly use search firms.  I have used NERAC often in the past but I have been disappointed with their results and they are too expensive.  I recently have sent searches to Mogambo Solutions (?? what's with the name??) anyway I must say their quality, turnaround time and cost was the best I have seen.  All I know about them is that it was started by some former PTO Examiners and they are in Alexandria.

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Chris Berken on Apr 4th, 2007, 10:11pm
2 things -  Eric have you tried Mogambo ?? If so, what was your experience?

Two, I know that Mogambo has an extensive database, access to EAST and STN.  My firm sent a complex pharmacology/organic chem search, a EE Optics search and a FTO in the Oil Exploration area - they turned these around in 10business days and were 30% cheaper than Landon's quote!

Yes, Intellevate is based in India and have heard mixed reviews about the quality.  Landon is a well known company but they are very expensive -- having sent 3 searches to Mogambo - my firm is extremely satisified.

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Harita on Apr 9th, 2007, 9:30am
You could also try out SciTech Patent Art. One of the most reputed firms in India.

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by GRS Research on Apr 9th, 2007, 11:41am
I believe they all have their strengths...it really depends on the type of searches you need done and the technological areas.  Not to make your decision more difficult but you may also want to consider Gary Odom of Patent Hawk (http://www.patenthawk.com/).

Best of luck,

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by MR Wisc on Apr 18th, 2007, 8:59am
Hmm... just a random question from someone starting to get into the patent field: as a patent agent/attorney, do you often conduct your own prior art searches for your clients, or is it typical to send them out to one of these mentioned companies?

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by lewis blythe on Apr 18th, 2007, 11:46pm
i usually conduct my own prior art searches if there are simple technology. for more complex requests, such as invalidation or clearance, i typically farm out to a search firm. the reason being these types of search take a considerable amount of time, and i (as would my clients) prefer i spent my billable time on the opinion rather than search.

ive used landon and magambo and was extremely satisfied with both.  

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by lewis blythe on Apr 18th, 2007, 11:48pm
i usually conduct my own prior art searches if there are simple technology. for more complex requests, such as invalidation or clearance, i typically farm out to a search firm. the reason being these types of search take a considerable amount of time, and i (as would my clients) prefer i spent my billable time on the opinion rather than search.

ive used landon and magambo and was extremely satisfied with both.  

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Chirag_Shah on May 20th, 2007, 5:23pm
Referring to the previous post by uhyesiam - Mogambo Solutions employs US-based searches and conducts all work in the US.

I'm not sure where you heard that we send our work to India, but you are mistaken.

I am a former examiner and started Mogambo Solutions along with other examiners who retired after decades of service at the PTO.  

If you were unhappy with any work we have done for you, simply contact us and we will (1) refund your money, or (2) conduct another search for you free of charge.

Quite frankly, I have no idea who you are, and doubt we have done any work with you.  We have close professional relationships with all of our clients.

However, I ask that you please do not make inferences or spread rumors about the quality and integrity of my firm.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me directly.

Regards,

Chirag Shah

CEO - Mogambo Solutions, LLC
1940 Duke St., Suite 200
Alexandria, VA 22314
1-800-849-1094
Fax: 206-666-2621

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Abdul on Jun 11th, 2007, 6:17am
I know one company named "Dolcera" based in carlifornia. They conduct prior art , infringement searches. As far as i know they have saved many companies from getting bankrupt.  

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Patentpros on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:46pm
I have used Landon and mongambo in the past, but I perfer a company called Cardinal IP. They are definately more cost effective and what they return is a superior product.

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Coffeeguy on Jun 12th, 2007, 11:38pm
My company did get work done from Scitech [prior to my joining the company] and at least I was not happy with the output. All they gave was a .xl file of all patents that is the standard output from Micropat.
To be fair, I am not sure as to whether my colleagues had then discussed the parameters of search or had only given a very vague search assignment.

There are other patent searching firms in India - Pangea 3, Evaluserve, IMC global, Kashyap Technologies, Scope Eknowledge. I have seen demonstrations from Evalueserve and they seem to be very professional. Rest - I cannot comment.

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by ThinkPatent on Jun 14th, 2007, 1:47am
Search strategies often vary from company to company, person to person and often differ in their final output. Going by my personal experience search strategy is often dependent on the subject of search, and usually strategized considering technological area and level of technical disclosure. I would recommend that before zeroing down to any search firm do ask about their search methodology and strategy. In nut shell, searching is more a personal skill rather than firmís in-house strategy!

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by CriterionD on Jun 14th, 2007, 4:20pm

on 06/14/07 at 01:47:51, ThinkPatent wrote:
Going by my personal experience search strategy is often dependent on the subject of search, and usually strategized considering technological area and level of technical disclosure.


Search strategy should be dependent on the subject of any patent search - it should differ from search to search moreso than firm to firm, person to person, etc.  Some searches, you can narrow down to maybe three subclasses, search those subclasses, and have yourself a completely thorough search.  Other searches, you couldn't even narrow down potentially relevant subclasses to fifty, and attempting to do a traditional classification-based search will be a waste of time just about.  Most searches - across multiple industries/fields - fall somewhere in between.  Of course things get a little more complicated when you take non-patent prior art searching into account.

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by ThinkPatent on Jun 14th, 2007, 11:33pm
I do agree that search strategy is more dependent on the subject of any patent search and also differ from search to search. Identifying potentially relevant sub-classes is half the way done. But still searching relevant patent citations/literatures is more a personal skill which often depends on the understanding level of searcher about the subject, essential elements to be searched, and ease with the patent laws, particularly in establishing criteria for benchmarking for obviousness, anticipation and motivation from subject to subject.

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Vinod Kumar Singh on Jul 14th, 2007, 12:04pm
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Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Patent_Guru on Sep 6th, 2007, 7:03am
Try a few!

Call any of the above companies and ask for a sample search.  They can usually show you an overview of what they provide and give you pricing.

For instance when I called Landon IP they quoted me within minutes and also customized the search to my needs so I stuck with them because it was the best value for my dollar once I compared the samples from other companies.

Also research, outsourcing is big in this industry and anyone who outsources work usually lacks the quality we desire.  This has become a big problem recently, so it's nice to be able to talk to those who are performing your search.  Inquiry directly with the company to see if you will have access to the analyst team conducting your search.

Good Luck!

Bill

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by MattB on Sep 6th, 2007, 11:08am
Has anyone heard of or dealt with CPA Global?

CPA Lacasse Global Patent Research

Title: Re: prior art search companies?
Post by Jonh Erric on Dec 3rd, 2007, 8:45pm
Hi I am going to join in Intellivate, please anybody can give me some information whether to join or not. Currently I am working on netwoking.



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