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(Message started by: doc pharmacy on Aug 24th, 2007, 8:53am)

Title: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by doc pharmacy on Aug 24th, 2007, 8:53am
I've posted a lot on this forum over the past few years and it's always been helpful, so I'm looking for some more good advice from you guys...

I graduated in may from a good pharmacy school with my Pharm D in May.  Started a T4 law school on Monday and dropped out on Tuesday! (Now I'm "gonna lead a life of crime" -ACDC.  It just hit me all of a sudden that I already lived in the lib. for 6 years, can't do it for 3 more.  

I'm still interested in patent law, but I don't know if I can do all the writing and reading that is involved after memorizing biochemistry structures and mechanisms of action for so long.  

I was offered a pharmacy position where I work graveyard shift for $110,000/year plus a $10,000 sign on bonus.  I will work 7 on and then have 7 off.  

Financially speaking and QOL speaking, did I make the right decision?  I have been sick to my stomach all week about this.  I decided that if i get our by the end of the week I can get 80% of my money back so that is what I did.  

I still may get into studying for the Patent Bar and easing into the field as a patent agent during my weeks off.

Please lay your wisdom down upon I disagree.

Thanks
Seacrest out!

Title: Re: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by Isaac on Aug 24th, 2007, 10:33am
It's hard to judge financially where you would be, but it isn't clear that graduating from a lower ranked law school would necessarily have positioned you to make enough money to cover 3 years without pay plus the cost of law school.  

Don't agonize over your decision.  You're doing fine.

Title: Re: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by frmpster on Aug 24th, 2007, 11:25am
My dad is a pharmacist and has been for 30 years now.  He pulls in around 120k at a good size hospital in Alabama.  

He has done both day shifts and night shifts.  For the last 15 years or so he has done the week on/week off night thing and loves it.  The best part about it is that if he takes a week vacation he is off for three weeks, which is quite a perk.  The bad part, obviously, is that you're a zombie for half the month.  

Doubt you'll ever make more than 130k (not certain), but depending on where you live that should be fine.  Also, if you open your own pharmacy, the $$$ could go higher.

Title: Re: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by guest47 on Aug 24th, 2007, 12:10pm
I think it was a good decision.

Title: Re: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by patentsusa on Aug 24th, 2007, 2:59pm
You have to do what is right for you. If you enjoy the pharmacy work, then build on it. Figure out a way to go up in it, owning your own business or whatever.

You would likely make more in the patent field if you make it to partner, 7 years or so after graduation. You would want to decide if you can handle a relatively high stress desk job with constant multiple simultaneous deadlines, many of which are unextendable, the likelihood of multiple bosses with big egos who each require a different writing style, and reading and writing all day long.  And even after you make it to partner, you will likely have to periodically butt heads with other partners who have big egos and are sure they are right, with respect to business decisions such as whether to hire, whether to grow, how much overhead is too much, etc.

Title: Re: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by Pill D on Aug 24th, 2007, 6:10pm
Are those who get pharmacy degrees called Doctors? Also, if you have the time, what exactly to Pharmacists do besides cross check medications that MDs hand out?   Is there anything to it besides being a pill dispenser?  I do not mean to be patronizing in any way.

Title: Re: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by ks1969 on Aug 26th, 2007, 11:20am
I am in a similar situation as you, except that I did go to law school.

I have a B.S in pharmacy and graduated about 11 years ago and went back part time law school while working full time pharmacy (retail).  I thought law school was easier that pharmacy school and I'd graduate cum laude.
I took and passed the Patent bar exam this April and I have been actively looking for a job and haven't got a job yet.

It's tough to break into the field and it really hurt me that I didn't try to work while a law student.
I think you probably should work a year in pharmacy and try to explore more what it takes (and if you want to be one) to be a patent lawyer.  Pharmacy will give you about $110,000/year for 40 hours a week and really no politics and no one yelling at you.

But you can try to make yourself more marketable by maybe working at a drug company or reseach facility and studying to take you patent bar exam.  Then when you pass you can become a patent agent and that may allow you to try to get a job in patent law and see if you like the field before investing 3 years in law school.

Its a hard choice but you're lucky to have that option.


Title: Re: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by doctor too on Aug 26th, 2007, 6:39pm
I went to pharm school and never got under an A.  I went to a tier 4 law school and failed out first year.   Law school is much harder than Pharm and I went to the number 1 pharm school.

Title: Re: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by Ugh on Aug 28th, 2007, 7:34am

on 08/26/07 at 18:39:20, doctor too wrote:
I went to pharm school and never got under an A. I went to a tier 4 law school and failed out first year. Law school is much harder than Pharm and I went to the number 1 pharm school.


Why are you posting nonsense?  Do you think you are protecting your Law Turf?  

Not enough people read this forum to make it worth while to needlessly discourage them with lies.  Why do you bother?

Title: Re: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by doc pharmacy on Aug 28th, 2007, 4:55pm
Thanks for all the Advice.

There a lot of job opportunities for pharmacists.  You can work in retail, hospitals, hospice care, nuclear, long term care, mail order, etc.

It's impossible to tell you what a pharmacist does in each field, however, a pharmacist will typically do the following:

look for drug-drug and drug-disease interactions

counsel patients about how to properly administer their medicaitons, about what adverse drug interactions to look out for, etc.

talk to MDs about changing medicaitons to more cost effective and better/more efficient medications

this is by no means a comprehensive list, however, it gives you a good idea about what we do

In addition, all pharmacists who graduate now (with the Pharm D) are considered Dr's.  Despite this, you will never see Dr. SoandSo on a name tag or anthing because most pharmacists are not that vein.

Another thing that weighed on my mind is that me and my wife have lived in Pittsburgh all our lives and I don't know if we really want to move.  I did not think this was a great city for patent lawyers.  

Title: Re: dropped out after the 1st day!!
Post by dfg on Jan 5th, 2008, 10:51pm
You made the right choice, T4 law schools are largely a money pit.  Even the top third of the class will make an average salary about 50-70% less than what you will bring in as a pharm.

Your opportunity cost to spend 3 years at a T4 law school will approach $500,000 in tuition and lost wages.

Do pharm for 5 years, live like a student and bank your $$.  Take the patent bar in your spare time, pass it, and try to tinker around with patent work in your spare time.  If you end up liking it, try to get into a Top 25 law school and write a check for your tuition.



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