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(Message started by: AT on Jun 9th, 2007, 2:43am)

Title: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by AT on Jun 9th, 2007, 2:43am
Many people suggest taking the exam and getting it out of the way before law school starts. Will passing the bar help in any way for getting a firm job during 1L summer?

Title: Re: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by biopico on Jun 9th, 2007, 8:36am
The answer may be arguable. But I sure think so.  If I have to select one out of two resumes (with similar background and GPA, etc)  and one passed the exam and the other doesn't, then I will choose the one who passed the exam.  

Title: Re: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by Drew83 on Jun 12th, 2007, 11:19am
any other comments on this?

I've been accepted to one of the law schools in Chicago and I'm thinking of deferring for a year for the following reasons:

1.  I can take the patent bar (hopefully pass) before starting law school
2.  I currently work at an engineering company, so I will have more money to buy a place in chicago rather than throwing my money at rent for 3 years.

I was hoping that having the patent bar under my belt would definitely help me in getting a 1L summer position, since I will not be coming from a top school...

Title: Re: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by Drew83 on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:38pm
Well, if I do buy a condo/one bedroom, I'll likely pay the mortgage with school loans and if needed dig into my savings.  I figure it would be a great investment while I'm in law school and when I graduate, I can either stay, rent it out, or sell it for profit.  

A lot of students go straight from undergrad and can't buy their own place, so they rent (I'm not a fan of renting).  I currently have been working and living at home for the past two years.  I figure one more year wont hurt.  Plus, I'll have the opportunity to travel overseas for a few months after taking the patent bar next year.

I know it's difficult to get in the top 15%.  I'm not saying that I won't, but it would be nice to have the patent bar on my resume, in case I dont make the top 15%.

I haven't deferred yet, but it is very tempting.  Although, finishing a year earlier is also very tempting.

Thanks for your comments.

Title: Re: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by Isaac on Jun 13th, 2007, 9:36am

on 06/12/07 at 13:38:51, Drew83 wrote:
Well, if I do buy a condo/one bedroom, I'll likely pay the mortgage with school loans and if needed dig into my savings. I figure it would be a great investment while I'm in law school and when I graduate, I can either stay, rent it out, or sell it for profit.


I won't comment on your financial reasons for deferring, but the patent bar related reasons aren't very compelling IMO.   Passing the patent registration exam is about 3-4 months of work.   Passing the test before or shortly after the fall semester starts is doable even now.

Further, without some prosecution experience, the registration itself isn't a huge differentiation over your patent bar eligble peers.  Now that the test is given nearly every day except holdays rather than only twice a year, getting registered is not a huge obstacle.  All smart, technically competent, law school grads are expected to pass the exam and nobody is going to let a new law school graduate sign anything anyway.

Title: Re: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by lawstudent on Jun 13th, 2007, 10:58am
Drew83... Be Careful.

I was in your situation about 2 years ago. I wanted to go to U of I... i don't know how I didn't get in considering I had pretty good numbers.

So I deferred for a year from a tier 2 school, passed the Patent Bar, and just finished my first year at that T2 school. I know everyone thinks they'll be in the top 20% but 80% of the class obviously isn't. I'm in the middle. Not a bad place to be but it's no good if you want to go to a big firm from a T2 school. And even though we may have been great writing in engineering courses, the kids from liberal arts can write like no body's business.  

My opinion, I didn't gain much from deferring or passing the Patent Bar. I know of kids who are getting by in interviews just telling the firm they're "interested in taking the Patent Bar." I say go to the BEST school you can get into and get the best 1L class rank you can. And even after that, there's no guarantee... it's a tough decision.

Title: Re: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by Drew83 on Jun 13th, 2007, 11:44am
Thanks Isaac and lawstudent for your comments.

I think the real estate investment is having more of an impact on me to deferr, rather than the patent bar. I wanted to find out if passing the patent bar would provide an added benefit for me deferring, however, it appears that it doesn't.

The tier 2 school in Chicago is the best school I got into. If I deferr and find myself bored, I may just retake the lsat and see if I can get into a better school (note: my lsat score was not much higher than my diagnostic score).

The only major disadvantages I see to deferr, is waiting another year for the rigors of 1L and graduating a year later (age 27 rather than 26).

lawstudent: being in the middle of a tier 2 (could be where I'll be), did you find it difficult to get a summer internship?

Thanks again!

Title: Re: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by lawstudent on Jun 13th, 2007, 12:52pm
Drew 83,
    To tell you the truth, your 1st year grades don't really matter for the summer internship. You start applying to them in like December (well before you even get your 1st grade). The internships at the really prestigious law firms are really hard to get (you better have a good law school on your resume) the 1st summer. I got mine based on my undergrad school, law school rep and work exp. (grades were not a factor at all).
    For the second summer IP Fair in August, I got interviews at some of the best IP firms but they want students in the "top 25% at top 20 lawschool." I didn't list that I was in the middle of the class when I applied... so the interviews could be a complete waste of time.
    By the way, which T2 law school are you thinking about going to? I though about going to  Loyola or Kent but decided not to because they're ranked so low in Chicago and you have so much competition from the good law schools all over the country.

Title: Re: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by Drew83 on Jun 13th, 2007, 1:59pm
The law school I am considering is Depaul.  I know they have a strong IP program, however, I also know that overall ranking is what counts.  

Good point about 1L internship and grades.  I think I should have a fair shot, if undergrad is valued (I graduated from a top 10 eng school).

So did you end up getting a 2L summer internship?  

Title: Re: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by lawstudent on Jun 13th, 2007, 6:15pm
Drew83,
   The interviews for next summer are in August, so no I don't have a 2L internship yet. All of the recruiting starts really fast.  The worst part you'll realize later, is that you can't even get an interview/call back at some top firms just because you aren't attending a top 15 law school.
   DePaul is ok ... I've heard their local reputation has went down the drain the last few years. Hopefully it goes back up. The funny thing is, I hear Kent wasn't even top 100 a few years back. Now it's higher than Loyola. The rankings are all a scam in my opinion.
   I went to top 10 engr program too.... sounds like its not that rare anymore. Best of luck.

Title: Re: Patent Bar for 1L summer
Post by Drew83 on Jun 14th, 2007, 7:10am
lawstudent: thanks for your comments.  

Good luck with your interviews.



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