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(Message started by: 1200firestarter on Apr 20th, 2007, 9:24pm)

Title: need to have a Master/PhD to work in patent?
Post by 1200firestarter on Apr 20th, 2007, 9:24pm
I have a gpa of about 3.4 out of 4.0 from a very decent school, 1 year of experience working as an engineer in semiconductor digital design (my work involves little research, mostly development), before graduating i had several internships from companies like motorola. like many of u i'm a little tired of engineering and eyeing on to start a career within the patent sector.

Title: Re: need to have a Master/PhD to work in patent?
Post by 1200firestarter on Apr 20th, 2007, 9:26pm

so here are some of the option i'm pondering on,
1. get a job as a patent agent (i wonder if not having any MS or phD will decrease my chance of getting into the core of this industry)
2. go back to do a Master in EE
3. go do a J.D (study in USA)  or LLB (study in UK) and just what are my chances of getting into a top law school?
4. do a master in intellectual property

please advise which of these option would help more in the long run?


THANKS.

Title: Re: need to have a Master/PhD to work in patent?
Post by plex on Apr 20th, 2007, 9:38pm
1) If you want too
2) It isn't necessary for someone with a BS in EE
3) 25% higher pay than option 1, and scales better, getting into a top school will depend entirely on you destroying the LSAT, if you intend to do this, set aside at least a few months where you will be doing absolutely nothing else except study for the test, it is very very difficult, you would be looking for a score in the mid 160s or higher for a top school. You can do just as well though at a non-top school if you obtain a well above average GPA there, the lower the school, the closer to the top you will have to be. (you are in a little better position though with an EE degree, a firm will go a little bit lower into the class ranks to pick one up than they normally would)
4) A master in IP is a LLM, and you have to get a JD first, not necessary unless you want to go into academia

Title: Re: need to have a Master/PhD to work in patent?
Post by 1200firestarter on Apr 20th, 2007, 9:47pm
hey thanx!
so would u say that the master in EE is pretty irrelevant to working within the patent industry?
i thought tat firms prefers their ppl come from big name schools and have uber high qualification so they can bill their clients more easily?
i mean, what are these firms really looking for within a candidate?

Title: Re: need to have a Master/PhD to work in patent?
Post by plex on Apr 20th, 2007, 11:15pm
They are looking for experience more than anything else, they don't like training people.

But, they are happy to take people with high ranking/top schools and with the technical degrees they need. You only need a BS if you have an EE degree, a masters is overkill. Pure science degrees usually tend to need to have a PhD to be really competitive though, so you will definitely see some PhDs from other degrees.

They at least want someone who has a high potential to learn quickly if they don't have experience.

Title: Re: need to have a Master/PhD to work in patent?
Post by patent_type on Apr 21st, 2007, 9:54am

on 04/20/07 at 21:47:35, 1200firestarter wrote:
hey thanx!
so would u say that the master in EE is pretty irrelevant to working within the patent industry?


Yep.



Quote:
i thought tat firms prefers their ppl come from big name schools and have uber high qualification so they can bill their clients more easily?


Having a degree from a "big name school" will likely result in fewer employment doors being shut than having a degree from other than a "big name school."  Naturally, the valedictorian from Harvard Law will have more employment opportunities than the bottom graduate from Oaxaca School of Law and Underwater Basketweaving, Correspondence (my alma mater).  While it ain't necessary to go to a "big name school," it does help.


Quote:
i mean, what are these firms really looking for within a candidate?


Somebody who will bill 2000+ hours each year doing whatever task is assigned without screwing up so badly that the client gets ticked.  But outside of BIGLAW, one can be less of a fungible billing unit.

If you want to be a lawyer, go to law school.  Just suck it up and do it.  If all you want to do is draft patent applications and respond to the Patent Office the rest of your life, do the patent agent thing.  One very viable option is to be a patent agent by day and law student by night.  A rather common career path in this biz.

Title: Re: need to have a Master/PhD to work in patent?
Post by 1200firestarter_pass on Apr 21st, 2007, 12:03pm
hey ho thanks!

i wonder how tough is law school ? (for eg. the top 15)
relative to LSAT and GRE?
perhaps ...... 10 times tougher ?




Title: Re: need to have a Master/PhD to work in patent?
Post by JAYC on Apr 21st, 2007, 12:36pm

on 04/21/07 at 12:03:26, 1200firestarter_pass wrote:
hey ho thanks!

i wonder how tough is law school ? (for eg. the top 15)
relative to LSAT and GRE?
perhaps ...... 10 times tougher ?



Hmmmm....can't really put a number on it.  Law school is definitely tougher than MBA school, and in some respects is tougher than engineering if you don't know what you're doing.  During your first year, expect the unexpected, and be prepared to quickly adapt your studying style and techniques to find what works for you.  Once you find that, then it should become easier.  Good luck.  

Title: Re: need to have a Master/PhD to work in patent?
Post by firestarterdude on Apr 21st, 2007, 12:56pm
need more insights............
plsssssssssssss

Title: Re: need to have a Master/PhD to work in patent?
Post by just to clarify on Apr 21st, 2007, 2:46pm

Quote:
4) A master in IP is a LLM, and you have to get a JD first, not necessary unless you want to go into academia

I believe some schools (e.g., Franklin Pierce) do offer a masters in IP (aka MIP) that is not an LLM.



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