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(Message started by: asdfg on Apr 15th, 2007, 9:42pm)

Title: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by asdfg on Apr 15th, 2007, 9:42pm
I came across this contract position which pays for  every complete patent (filed including claims and drawings) application (non provisional).

I want to know how much time does it generally take to file a complete application. I know it depends on experience. But assuming that a person has the technical and writing skills and also ability to interpret/research the subject matter of the invention, but little or no experience, how much time would it take. I want to calculate whether the pay they are quoting is okay.
Thanks.

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by patentsusa on Apr 15th, 2007, 11:40pm
It depends a lot on the complexity of the invention, the number of claims, whether you've seen the technology before, and whether you are dictating or typing.  Maybe about 40 hours is a reasonable guess for a new person for an average EE case.  You'd want at least 2k, I'd think, assuming they do all the filing and docketing.  Preferably more like 4k.

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by Bill Richards on Apr 18th, 2007, 6:19pm
I would say $4,000 at a minimum.  I personally wouldn't do an application for $2,000.

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by Isaac on Apr 18th, 2007, 7:55pm
How long is a string?

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by TataBoxInhibitor on Apr 18th, 2007, 10:19pm
I am not sure if you already have experience, but if you are new and trying to build a reputation in the patent arena, then taking a 2K project  is a no-brainer.   Now, that may change depending on your financial status.

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by SoCalAttny on Apr 19th, 2007, 11:02pm
Who is paying for the drawings?

The range I have seen is $50 - $100 a sheet depending on the complexity. So 8 - 10 sheets on average is bumping up against $800.

Then there is your pay. I like to walk away with more then $3K for a weeks (preferrably not 40 hours) worth of work.

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by asdfg on Apr 20th, 2007, 12:08am
Well the offer was $1500 for a complete application for 1st  month then $1750 thereafter assuming quality has improved and atleast 4 complete applications; and $2000 from 3rd month. I think for a person without  experience,  it would be good to start with.  

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by Vlad_Loyola on Apr 20th, 2007, 1:51am
Not a bad way to gain first experience - any suggestions on where to look??? (I am a ChemE with 8 years engineering  experience, a Pat Agent cert, and another year in law school)

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by BotchedExperiment on Apr 20th, 2007, 10:31am
asdfg, I just started doing patent drafting on a contract basis also, and the deal I struck was virtually identical to what you have.  

The firm I'm working with pays the figure draftsman, USPTO fees, etc.

I had no previous experience, so the first patent applicaton took me about 55 hours, the next couple applicatons took me about 40 hours.  These are for fairly simple mechanical inventions.

The associates with the firm who were previously handling these simple mechanical invention patent applications were spending about 25 hours drafting the app.

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by asdfg on Apr 20th, 2007, 11:12am

on 04/20/07 at 10:31:07, BotchedExperiment wrote:
asdfg, I just started doing patent drafting on a contract basis also, and the deal I struck was virtually identical to what you have.

The firm I'm working with pays the figure draftsman, USPTO fees, etc.

I had no previous experience, so the first patent applicaton took me about 55 hours, the next couple applicatons took me about 40 hours. These are for fairly simple mechanical inventions.

The associates with the firm who were previously handling these simple mechanical invention patent applications were spending about 25 hours drafting the app.

Is this a work- from -home job.
This job says I can work from my home. is it possible to have another job (permanent) while I work on this.
I have not got anything yet. Just  applied and waiting.hopefully something should come up. :)

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by asdfg on Apr 20th, 2007, 12:19pm

on 04/20/07 at 01:51:47, Vlad_Loyola wrote:
Not a bad way to gain first experience - any suggestions on where to look??? (I am a ChemE with 8 years engineering  experience, a Pat Agent cert, and another year in law school)

I checked the well known sites - monster, careerbuilder and hotjobs. also careers dot findlaw dot com.
you can also contact lawfirms directly. the list is given in infirmation com slash shared slash lss and go to the state you are interested in.

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by SoCalAttny on Apr 21st, 2007, 12:23am
Try LAIPLA - That is if Loyola is near LAX. If you Google this professional association you will find contacts.

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by asdfg on Apr 21st, 2007, 1:26pm
any such association you know of in the bay area.

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by sandypatel51 on Apr 25th, 2007, 11:25am
hey can any one tell me the source of such part timr job

at present doing a full time job in a patent area....

I m looking for some part time job for drafting specification


Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by patentsusa on Apr 25th, 2007, 11:17pm

on 04/20/07 at 00:08:58, asdfg wrote:
Well the offer was $1500 for a complete application for 1st month then $1750 thereafter assuming quality has improved and atleast 4 complete applications; and $2000 from 3rd month. I think for a person without experience, it would be good to start with.


That doesn't sound too reasonable for someone starting out and working from home, particularly if they will do the filing and docketing.  If you are doing the filing and docketing you have more risk and overhead and should get more.

You can use the opportunity to gain experience and get your efficiency up.

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by Don Shutters on Sep 17th, 2007, 9:12am
As a draftsman, I charge on a time basis.  I have seen cases where 15 sheets of drawings could have been done on 3.  I have been asked to do complex exploded views with a bare minimum of information or simple block diagrams.  Sometimes the drawings are supplied other times we have to figure them out from rough sketches.  If you want a good job with some thinking behind it, it all takes time.

Don

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by Don Shutters on Sep 17th, 2007, 9:14am
As a draftsman, I charge on a time basis.  I have seen cases where 15 sheets of drawings could have been done on 3.  I have been asked to do complex exploded views with a bare minimum of information or simple block diagrams.  Sometimes the drawings are supplied other times we have to figure them out from rough sketches.  If you want a good job with some thinking behind it, it all takes time.

Don

Title: Re: time to draft a complete patent application
Post by MattB on Sep 17th, 2007, 10:29am
Hi asdfg,

I must caution that this may not be the best way to get into the patent drafting career, with little else.

Working from home leaves you without constant available help and guidance.  I suggest you seek out an experienced practitioner who would be willing to review your work, and give you pointers.  You may have to set aside a nice chunk of what you take home to pay for this guidance...or you may be lucky to find someone who will do it out of the kindness of their heart, as I found once upon a days ago.

Good luck!  It only gets easier.

MattB



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