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khoramdin
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need your advise to become a patent attorney!
« on: Nov 18th, 2005, 12:59pm »
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I am 37 years YOUNG living in Canada with B.Eng. in Communication Engineering, MSc in Communication System Engineering and Ph.D. in Optical Communication from United Kingdom.  My previous work experiences have been mainly in research, design, and development in the fields of Fibre Optics, Electronics, and Telecommunication in either side of Atlantic Ocean (UK and Canada).
 
All these sound wonderful to impress girls in a party but the reality is that things are not that great when you get your pay check at the end of the month and you are constantly worried if you are going to get laid off.  Letís face it, in the last 5 years I had to work for 3 different employers since they keep going bankrupt!  he hehe hehehe ... and I donít enjoy driving myself nuts looking for a job again and again and again since as I am get older my patience is running thinner.  Grin
I have just checked the price for Mercedes-Benz S-Class S65 AMG Sedan and it is around $170,000 and I wonder how many of those engineers who have left messages in this forum, claim to make a good living drive this car?!!! Wink
 
Any ways, my questions are simple and straight forward as I have set my mind and heart to join the IP field.  I would very much appreciate any insight on the following questions;
 
It appears in Canada I can join an Intellectual Property firm as a technical consultant and become a patent attorney after a twelve-month mentorship training program as well as to complete the qualifying exam.
 
1.Does such a program exist in USA?
2.Can I obtain a similar position in USA if I become a patent attorney in Canada?
 
Considering these two countries have entirely different systems and becoming a Canadian patent attorney doesnít do much in becoming a USA patent attorney; which of the following options would be the best?
 
1.Join the IP firm as a technical consultant and attend law school at evenings?
2.Start attending law school full time and get LLB or JD and forget about a full-time professional job for awhile?
3.What are the differences between LLB and JD?
 
If I am off the track entirely then please accept my humble apology. Your information to get me started in the right path is greatly appreciated.
 
I would like to leave my email address in case you feel shy to share your information in public. My email address:  
 
babak_khoramdin@hotmail.com
 
Allow me to take this opportunity to thank you in advance for your time and help.
 
Babak
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jimbob
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Re: need your advise to become a patent attorney!
« Reply #1 on: Nov 18th, 2005, 5:43pm »
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Are you nuts!!!
 
12 months to become a patent attorney in Canada. It will take at least 3 years in the US.
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Re: need your advise to become a patent attorney!
« Reply #2 on: Nov 18th, 2005, 6:58pm »
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I think the OP is referring to the requirement for an apprenticeship before
taking the exam.  Rather than comparing the 12 months with the length of time required to get a law degree compare the 12 months apprenticeship with 0 months in the US.
 
The LLBs as given by Canadian law schools are pretty much the same level of education as JDs in the US.  In other countries the LLB is a first college degree.
In fact US law schools used to give LLB but switched the name of the degree to JD for prestige
purposes.  Some Canadian institutions have mulled over doing the same thing.
 
One obstacle to becoming a patent attorney in the US is that you have to become licensed in some state.  A few states
will allow a foreign educated attorney to take the bar exam, so you'd have to seek licensing in one of those states.
You can practice before the USPTO as a patent agent without taking a state
bar exam or being admitted to a state bar.
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Re: need your advise to become a patent attorney!
« Reply #3 on: Nov 18th, 2005, 9:37pm »
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Undecided In US, you don't need a law degree to practice before patent office.  You can practice as a patent agent. However, patent attorneys here created an impression that patent agents can not work as good as patent attorneys.  As a result, you are expected to go to law school, get a law degree, and become a patent attorey.  
 
It is true that patent law is very complex.  Having a law degree helps a lot!  
 
In Europe and other countries, you are called patent attorney even with out law degree.  I am not sure how the system works in Europe.  
 
With respect to Benz cars, many lawyers in US do have them.  In US, lawyer profession is generally high paying and scientist/engineer profession is generally low paying.  I don't know why!  
 
If you are a smart scientist/engineer, you can come up with inventions that would make $$$$.  We can help you and bill you.
 
 
 
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Re: need your advise to become a patent attorney!
« Reply #4 on: Nov 19th, 2005, 3:36pm »
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I am a US citizen with an ABET accredited BEEE degree from the US, and several years of professional IT experience.
 
I am currently doing my LLB degree full time in Australia. I always wanted to become a patent lawyer, but high tuition rates in the US discouraged me. As an Australian resident and having a magna cum laude (high honors) in my BEEE, I was able to secure a government supported (HECS) place in the LLB program here in Australia. As a result the tuition is very minimal compared to the US.
 
Based on my research, LLB degrees from Australia, UK, Canada and New Zealand are directly recognized by several major states in the US, to sit their Bar exams. For example, New York and California. You can gain admission to several other States through reciprocal agreements once you gain admission to any US State Bar. Graduates of LLB programs from India, and some other countries, need to complete an additional LLM to be eligible to sit for the State bars of these States.
 
In Australia, and I think the same is true for Canada and Europe, you need to have a technical degree and pass a set of exams to become a Patent and/or Trademark Attorney. The exams can be substituted for University offered Master degrees in Intellectual Property Law, that cover the same subjects tested on the exams. Admission as a lawyer is not required in Australia to become a Patent and/or Trademark Attorney. However, most law firms prefer you have a law degree and admission as a lawyer. They even mention that in their ads.
 
My plans are to get my LLB, and a Masters in Intellectual Property Law from Australia, and then practise patent law either here (in Australia) or in the US. All that depends on what offers I get and what the pay is. Of course, I have to take and pass the USPTO patent bar exam and a State bar exam.
 
I think experience gained in Patent Law (both in prosecution and/or litigation) in Australia or Canada, will not go in vain in the US. As I think, they follow the same basics and in many cases, the same procedures.
 
The only obstacle I can think of is, some Patent Law jobs in the US specifically ask for ABA accredited JDs.  
 
Comments are welcome!
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