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(Message started by: Henry Giano on Mar 12th, 2007, 7:10pm)

Title: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by Henry Giano on Mar 12th, 2007, 7:10pm
How valuable is 1 - 2 years experience as an examiner at the USPTO in terms of find a job as a patent agent or attorney?

Title: Re: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by MikeM on Mar 13th, 2007, 4:59pm
I think you might want a bit more time at the PTO than that to really translate it into a valuable resume builder...  You want to at least become a primary examiner to show you know your stuff (also if you complete the full signatory program, I believe you don't have to take the patent bar)...  Also if you don't have a JD already, the PTO will pay for you to get one while you're there.

Title: Re: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by Henry Giano on Mar 13th, 2007, 5:48pm
hhmm, thats the problem, I would actually rather work at a law firm than PTO and was deciding on persuing a career at a law firm and eventually as an IP attorney. I was hoping that working at PTO for 2 years would be a valuable asset when presented on my resume. So I guess PTO experience is not valuable in terms of firms hiring?

Title: Re: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by sdf on Mar 13th, 2007, 7:42pm
My officemate at the PTO just interviewed with a firm and they were saying they didn't want anyone who had more than two years experience at the PTO.  They're not the only ones I've heard from who have said that too much experience as an examiner is frowned upon when considering someone to hire or not.  The canidates apparently just develop a certain mindset that's not too compatiable with what they're wanting on the other side.

Title: Re: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by Henry Giano on Mar 13th, 2007, 8:18pm
sdf:

I was wondering what TC and AU do you work in? and does your officemate have a law degree or is presently attending law school at the moment?

Ive also heard of the rumor that firms frown upon people applying for a position at the law firm having over 2 years experience at the USPTO as an examiner.

Title: Re: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by sdf on Mar 14th, 2007, 7:26am
I'd rather keep the specific of which TC's and AU I work private--sorry.  As to your other question, my officemate does not have a law degree, but is planning on attending law school in about a year.

Title: Re: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by Henry Giano on Mar 14th, 2007, 7:43am
Sorry for the two threads in different areas on the forum. I was wondering if your office mate has an agent number? and if not, what is he going to be doing at the law firm since he doesnt have a law degree and agent number?

Sorry for getting in too personal, but I was jsut curious about the TC and AU. It was a dumb question haha, bcause I think I would decline that question if someone on this forum asked me the same question.

I hope you can get some more information on your office mate for me, because I was also thinking about leaving PTO in the near future.

Thanks again sdf

Title: Re: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by sdf on Mar 14th, 2007, 9:19am
He doesn't have a registration number, the law firm said they would pay for him to take a study course and pay for the exam.  They'd also be training him on what he needs to know to be able to do the job as an agent.  Until he got registered, he'd be able to do everything they need for him to do, he just can't sign on any of his own work. During the training period, several people would also be reviewing anything he did to make sure he didn't screw up.


Title: Re: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by biotech on Mar 14th, 2007, 1:55pm
I know a couple people at my law firm who were examiners. They said they got insane numbers of job offers.
I would say 2 years would be good experience.

Title: Re: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by Henry Giano on Mar 14th, 2007, 4:46pm
Hey, thanks for all the insight guys, makes me feel a lot better with the transition to a firm from PTO.

sdf:
I was wondering if you can hook me up with the connection with your office mate?
Im interested in looking to switch jobs, and possibly have a law firm pay for my patent bar exam and any schooling.

sdf, are you looking to also leave PTO in the near future and work at a firm as an agent or attorney?

bio:
Im glad you made that post, cause it makes me feel a whole lot better about law firms regarding examiner experience valuable.


Title: Re: USPTO experience...valuable?
Post by sdf on Mar 14th, 2007, 5:20pm
Sorry, he's still waiting for a decision from the law firm and he's still mulling around with what he wants to do if he does get the offer, so I'd rather not disclose his info without his permission.  He reads this board at times, so if he wanted to post he'd have done so already.

As to your other question, I've passed the bar and for the long term plan, I do want to get some experience with a law firm.  I haven't decided yet though if I want to get the PTO to pay for law school or go to a firm and have them pay for it.  There's positives and negatives to be said about either route.  I've looked at the average agent's salary for the area and if I decide not to go to school for another two years, I'd actually be ahead financially if I had the PTO pay for school if the firm didn't pay.



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