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(Message started by: smgsmc on Sep 21st, 2006, 7:34am)

Title: Appplying for jobs before receiving registration
Post by smgsmc on Sep 21st, 2006, 7:34am
Hi.  I'd like opinions on my situation.  I passed the exam on Aug 15 and am on the Oct 6 list of people seeking registration.  According to other postings, I should receive my registration number towards the end of Oct. , assuming that no fellow cell mate from Sing-Sing rats me out.  I hadn't factored in an ~ 2 mo delay in my plans.  I spent the last month tieing up personal matters and networking to get leads.  I now have several.  I'm currently unemployed, and my benefits have run out.  Now the question.  A recruiter told me not to bother sending out resumes or trying to line up interviews until I get my actual registration number.  He told me that any resume or e-mail that starts "I passed the patent bar on Aug 15 and am expecting my registration in late Oct."  would have no credibility and would get trashed.  And, as the cliche goes, "You have only one chance to make a good first impression."   What do you think?  Should I flip burgers for a month?  Thanks.

Title: Re: Appplying for jobs before receiving registrati
Post by Wiscagent on Sep 21st, 2006, 9:24am
 A recruiter told … that any resume or e-mail that starts "I passed
 the patent bar on Aug 15 and am expecting my registration in late
 Oct."  would have no credibility and would get trashed.

I don’t see why that would be so.  It would be interesting to know the basis for that statement.

A recent poster stated that he sent out 46 (I think that was the number) of resumes to law firms in his area on one day.  I would advise against a mass mailing.  By sending out a few cover letters and resumes each week, and making some phone calls, you may be able to build a bit of a network.  It is counterintuitive, but a paced job search may have better results that a mad rush.

Even if those individuals you contact have nothing to offer at this time, they may be able to recommend other contacts.  Then you can use the first contact person’s name, as in “Jane Practitioner suggested that I call you.”  Do NOT make any false claims about your relationship to Jane Practitioner, simply mention her as the person who referred you to the second contact person.

Also, by incrementally making contacts you have the opportunity to modify your search approach.  Undoubtedly you have various experiences; you can choose which experiences / what expertise to emphasize or omit.  Also if you have any mistakes on your resume you are more likely to catch the errors over the course of a couple of months than in one quick proof reading.

If you send out a bunch of notes all at once, you will forgo these benefits.  

Good luck.

Title: Re: Appplying for jobs before receiving registrati
Post by biopico on Sep 21st, 2006, 10:04am
smgsmc:

Have you thought about doing some voluntary work for a IP lawfirm in your area, which could guide you to reach some leads in addition to getting a practical experience whatever hours you are comfortable at least until you find your next employer?

Who knows the IP firm that you worked only for a week would offer you a position?

Title: Re: Appplying for jobs before receiving registrati
Post by smgsmc on Sep 21st, 2006, 10:16am

on 09/21/06 at 09:24:38, Wiscagent wrote:
 A recruiter told … that any resume or e-mail that starts "I passed
 the patent bar on Aug 15 and am expecting my registration in late
 Oct."  would have no credibility and would get trashed.

I don’t see why that would be so.  It would be interesting to know the basis for that statement.


Good luck.


Thanks for the response.  The recruiter's reason was that, with a registration number in hand, a potential employer can look you up in the federal register and verify your credentials.  Also, there is a possibility (though small) that there can be a screwup with registration.  With a registration number in hand, that's not an issue that would come up.  Any way, that was his take.

Which does raise a question I've been meaning to ask.  Is putting people who have passed the exam on a probationary period, during which people can show just cause why you should not be registered, some obscure legal anachronism?  I can't imagine anyone reading each week through the roster of people applying for registration, and saying, "Hey, he was put away for 20 yr in Sing Sing and must have broken out."  Does anyone know if there have been cases of registration being refused?  Do other government jobs follow this procedure?

Title: Re: Appplying for jobs before receiving registrati
Post by smgsmc on Sep 21st, 2006, 10:35am

on 09/21/06 at 10:04:43, biopico wrote:
smgsmc:

Have you thought about doing some voluntary work for a IP lawfirm in your area, which could guide you to reach some leads in addition to getting a practical experience whatever hours you are comfortable at least until you find your next employer?

Who knows the IP firm that you worked only for a week would offer you a position?



Hi.  This is another issue that has confused me.  If I go to interviews while I'm doing volunteer (for experience or kicks or pocket change or whatever) work for one firm, my understanding is that I need to disclose the projects I'm working on.  Is this true? If so, this may create problems if there is conflict or potential conflict with jobs that the firm (that I'm interviewing with) may have...leading to another strike against me, in addition to my 0 experience.  Any thoughts here?   I'm not talking about experienced agents or attorneys being recruited by other firms, but novices like me trying to get my foot in the door without old baggage.

Title: Re: Appplying for jobs before receiving registrati
Post by Isaac on Sep 21st, 2006, 11:32am

on 09/21/06 at 10:35:09, smgsmc wrote:
Hi.  This is another issue that has confused me.  If I go to interviews while I'm doing volunteer (for experience or kicks or pocket change or whatever) work for one firm, my understanding is that I need to disclose the projects I'm working on.  Is this true? If so, this may create problems if there is conflict or potential conflict with jobs that the firm (that I'm interviewing with) may have...leading to another strike against me, in addition to my 0 experience.  Any thoughts here?   I'm not talking about experienced agents or attorneys being recruited by other firms, but novices like me trying to get my foot in the door without old baggage.


My opinion is that any experience a novice can get is going to outweight the negative effect of any possible conflict.   In fact, if you end up doing cutting edge for a client so large that one firm or company is frightened off by the potential conflict, that probably makes you attractive to someone else.

I wouldn't worry about creating a conflict unless you have a particular employment situation in mind involving
a particular technical area.

Title: Re: Appplying for jobs before receiving registrati
Post by smgsmc on Sep 21st, 2006, 12:54pm

on 09/21/06 at 11:32:18, Isaac wrote:

My opinion is that any experience a novice can get is going to outweight the negative effect of any possible conflict.   In fact, if you end up doing cutting edge for a client so large that one firm or company is frightened off by the potential conflict, that probably makes you attractive to someone else.

I wouldn't worry about creating a conflict unless you have a particular employment situation in mind involving
a particular technical area.



Hi Isaac.  Once again, thanks.  Assuming I'm getting experience at one firm, what is my responsibility for any disclosure of existing work when I go on interviews?  My background is in semiconductors and telcom.  When I interview for those jobs, my duty is *not* to disclose details.  For example, I can say I'm doing systems engineering for wireless high-speed data networks.  I'm not supposed to say I'm the systems engineer rolling out the UMTS field trial for Cingular in Atlanta.  But if I join the other company and get assigned to a competing program for Cingular, that's OK  That generally is not an issue which arises for staff engineers <as opposed to execs who need to sign non-compete clauses> .  Now, what happens in patent work?  For example, I'm volunteering or temping at a firm, helping out on prosecuting a patent application by Cingular on a wireless high-speed data network.  Now I go for an interview at a different patent firm.  What am I supposed to disclose or not disclose, either during the initial interview or (hopefully) when I receive an offer?   Obviously, I can't disclose details of the patent application.  Do I keep mum, because I'm not supposed to disclose that Cingular is applying for a patent on wireless high-speed data networks?  Or, to avoid any conflict, am I supposed to state that I'm working on a patent application for a wireless high-speed data network?   Am I supposed to disclose that Cingular is the existing client?  That way, I won't end up working on a competing patent application or for a competing client?   I haven't a clue what the procedure in IP is.

Title: Re: Appplying for jobs before receiving registrati
Post by guest47 on Sep 23rd, 2006, 1:56am
How common is it to do volunteer work for an IP firm to get one's feet wet?  I know I've heard it suggested that it is better to get a paid job, if for no other reason than that the company feels they have to give you something worthwhile to do if they are paying you.

I do imagine that volunteering would open up all sorts of options in terms of scheduling.  For example, I'm seeking part time evening/weekend patent agent work while maintaining my day job.  I'm not sure how easy that will be to find, but I am not concerned with the monetary aspects.



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