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(Message started by: smgsmc on Aug 31st, 2006, 4:40pm)

Title: So, what field is hot?
Post by smgsmc on Aug 31st, 2006, 4:40pm
Skimming through the various posts, I've been real surprised at the number of biotechies having problems getting jobs.  I thought that biotech was searing hot right now, and that there would be plenty of opportunities, especially since it is a relatively new field  (when compared to a more mature field such as mechanical engineering, for example).  So, what is hot?  I know that, like stocks, the answer depends on the phase of the moon.  I'm a physics PhD with industry experience in semiconductor (optoelectronic) devices and systems and network engineering (wireless networks).  Anyone have recent personal experience in either of those fields?  Thanks.

Title: Re: So, what field is hot?
Post by bd74 on Aug 31st, 2006, 6:33pm
Well, I can't help you on the Mech E front or physics, but I can say that Biotech is decidedly hot if you are a BA/MS holder, but definitely not so hot if you have a Ph.D.  Of course, it depends on your specialty within biotech, but as a rule there is a much greater demand for BA/MS than Ph.D.

Title: Re: So, what field is hot?
Post by TedJus on Sep 1st, 2006, 2:38pm
I used to be a research chemist with a MS degree.  I agree, having a BS/MS degree is a lot easier to find jobs than PhDs.  Now that I am an agent (just passed the exam).  I wonder if the market is still hot for me.  I have been in the biotech industry for 7 years.  

Title: Re: So, what field is hot?
Post by Isaac on Sep 1st, 2006, 3:13pm

on 09/01/06 at 14:38:12, TedJus wrote:
I used to be a research chemist with a MS degree. I agree, having a BS/MS degree is a lot easier to find jobs than PhDs. Now that I am an agent (just passed the exam). I wonder if the market is still hot for me. I have been in the biotech industry for 7 years.


I only ask this because the idea that patent agent jobs are easier to find for biotech specialist without a PhD is so different from the conventional wisdom I've seen posted here.

But given that you just passed the exam, what is your basis for your conclusion that BS/MS job holders find it easier to find jobs than PhDs.


Title: Re: So, what field is hot?
Post by TedJus on Sep 1st, 2006, 4:10pm
I have many friends who graudated with a PhD degree and having a very tough time looking for jobs in the Biotech industry.  They, then, go from one postdoc to another.  The biotech market being not the greatest these days, some of my friends are only taking temp positons.

I think companies do not mind bringing in entry level BS/MS with less paid and more training time, while it is not the case for brand new PhDs.  Most compnaies look for Ivey school names and famous professors.  

BS/MS levels who are hired will work up the ladder at their firms.  After working in the industry for a number of years, they have gained valuable experiences, and they can easily look for another new, higher level position.  At this point, they maybe comparable to a brand new PhD candidate.  Guess who an employer will choose - between an experienced BS/MS worker with less paid, and a fresh PhD with, maybe the same pay, but more risky investment?

As for more experienced PhDs, it is still not easy to find jobs becuase there are fewer chairs for group leader and director positions in any organization.  And this is a fact.

So, I am wondering if an agent can find IP work easier than an attorney for the same rational?  -- less expensive.

Title: Re: So, what field is hot?
Post by Isaac on Sep 2nd, 2006, 6:47am

on 09/01/06 at 16:10:31, TedJus wrote:
I have many friends who graudated with a PhD degree and having a very tough time looking for jobs in the Biotech industry. They, then, go from one postdoc to another. The biotech market being not the greatest these days, some of my friends are only taking temp positons.


I understand.    I have very limited experience with biotech.  The law firm I work for has a biotech section consisting of a single attorney with a PhD.   I believe he is the only person in the IP department to have a PhD.



Title: Re: So, what field is hot?
Post by chemichael on Sep 2nd, 2006, 9:39am
I believe TedJus' comments are in regards to research positions, not patent agent/patent attorney positions.  I can tell you that in the area of the country where I live, most firms will not consider folks w/o a PhD for agent/advisor positions in biotech.  The same goes true for chemistry as well (my field), although not to the same degree


Title: Re: So, what field is hot?
Post by SoCalAttny on Sep 30th, 2006, 9:52pm
Those who understand the electrical and software arts are in demand. Do job search on Patent Attorney and signifanctly more than half will be EE or CS positions 8)



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