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(Message started by: jeff on Jun 14^th, 2006, 2:02pm)

Title: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by jeff on Jun 14^th, 2006, 2:02pm

what do you think? I know there is a 2006 version that just came out, but i'm trying to save some $$

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by Isaac on Jun 14^th, 2006, 2:09pm

It's probably good enough.

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by jeff on Jun 14^th, 2006, 2:12pm

that is what i figured since i have to take the test before 9/12 and they are still testing v8 r2 (which the 2004 longacre covers).

thanks

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by smgsmc on Jun 14^th, 2006, 6:59pm

I bought the kit new in June 2005; the study guide is dated May 2004. In another post, someone else bought a kit new a couple of months ago (April 2006). The study guide was still 2004.

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by Wolfcastle on Jun 14^th, 2006, 8:01pm

$350 for the Longacre course is definately worth it, heck $500 for the Longacre course is worth it as well. The 2004 longacre course doesn't focus enogh on appeal and re-exam, so you'll need to study that a bit on your own.

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by jeff on Jun 15^th, 2006, 6:30am

on 06/14/06 at 20:01:41, Wolfcastle wrote:

thanks. since I haven't started studying yet....what chapters cover appeal and re-exam? Thanks

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by SciGuy on Jun 15^th, 2006, 10:46am

I used the 2004 kit for the test a month and a half ago...it worked fine. You will, however, have to spent more time on the PCT process though.

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by jeff on Jun 15^th, 2006, 11:10am

on 06/15/06 at 10:46:11, SciGuy wrote:

I used the 2004 kit for the test a month and a half ago...it worked fine. You will, however, have to spent more time on the PCT process though.

any tips on this?

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by smgsmc on Jun 16^th, 2006, 7:45am

Hi Jeff. Everyone has his own study techniques of course, and you'll get different pointers. Here are some from me (physics background, no law). (1) I suggest you go through the videos twice. Longacre goes through the MPEP chapter by chapter in sequence. Early chapters refer to material in later chapters, and many times I went "Huh, What's that? I don't know what that is, and I don't see an explanation here." For example, Chapt 1 mentions "interferences", but that topic is not covered until Chapt. 2300. If you give the material a once over first, you'll know what topics will be covered later, and not get bogged down on them early on. (2) Right at the start, he recommends that you stick to the videos, study guide, and test questions...and, with some exceptions, don't spend time reading the MPEP. I don't think this advice holds true (at least for me, it didn't). There are mucho details buried in the MPEP that are essential to answer the questions. Also, from the zillion posts...recent exams absolutely require proficiency in searching the electronic MPEP.

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by Wolfcastle on Jun 17^th, 2006, 1:29am

In my opinion, whether or not you should spend time reading the MPEP depends on how much total time you are going to spend studying. If you are planning on 50-100 hours, your best bet is probably just to follow Longacre. If you going to spend more time studying, you'll get diminishing returns from just listening to Longacre, so you should read the MPEP.

I found that Longacre's course is really good at getting you so that you can answer ~30+ questions in a section in about an hour and a half with reasonable certainty. Unfortunately, he doesn't really give pointers on searching the MPEP in electronic format. Its a good idea to spend a couple hours searching the MPEP in electronic format.

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by jeff on Jun 19^th, 2006, 10:12am

i'd like to do 200 hours...i really just want to take it before school starts back up in the fall....which is on or about Aug. 22, so I should be ok.

thanks for the tips everyone (feel free to leave more)

Title: Re: Buying Longacre(2004) for $350...good deal?
Post by Bryan on Jun 20^th, 2006, 10:54am

I used Longacre and passed in March on my first try. The course is great but you will have to study PCT on your own. I am not exactly sure what the best way to do this is but I had 5+ questions on this topic so don't overlook its importance. I found that the PTO is phasing out claim questions and focusing more on reexam, reissue and PCT. That might have just been my test but I had maybe one question which asked "which claim is the correct dependant ...." even though the old exams had numerous questions like this.