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peteh
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Re: Examiners passing out of patent bar
« Reply #5 on: Apr 27th, 2007, 2:08pm »
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on Apr 24th, 2007, 7:20pm, guest01 wrote:
You can take the certification exam anytime after you are a GS-11.  You have to have the cert exam + 4 years of examining experience to waive the registration exam.  That means 4 years of being an examiner AFTER you pass the cert exam. Check the OED website.  
The cert exam is similar to the reg exam, but doesn't include some of the topics that are on the reg exam like fees.
 
It is my understanding that even with a reg number a former examiner cannot prosecute (sign) applications in the TC area in which they examined for one year after leaving the office.  This should be somewhere online on either the OED site or HR site or it is in the ethics section of 37 CFR.  I know its out there because I've seen it, but that was many moons ago.
 
Maybe a recent-former examiner will chime in.

 
According to the MPEP it's 2 years being fully successful after passing the cert exam.  I don't see where the OED website mentions 4 years.
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guest01
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Re: Examiners passing out of patent bar
« Reply #6 on: Apr 29th, 2007, 1:39pm »
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Check 37 CFR 11.7(d).
It says you have to have passed the cert exam and have negotiating authority - (d)(ii).  You only get negotiating authority with partial or full sig (GS-13/GS-14).  If the highest level you can start at as an examiner is a GS-11, the minimum time will be about 4 years to be able to waive the reg exam - longer if you started at a lower grade.  This is applicable to examiners who started after July 2004.  Examiners who started before July 2004 can be grandfathered in after 4 years provided that the ratings of the last two years are fully successful.
 
Call OED if you need additional clarification.
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isante
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Re: Examiners passing out of patent bar
« Reply #7 on: Apr 30th, 2007, 7:28am »
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"Negotiating authority" is at GS-13.
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peteh
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Re: Examiners passing out of patent bar
« Reply #8 on: May 2nd, 2007, 11:21am »
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Yeah, found out you must be at least GS-13 and possibly  GS-14, depending on interpretation of negotiation ability.
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