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chekcv
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Re: lawyer or agent?
« Reply #5 on: Apr 26th, 2006, 11:01pm »
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sorry for the late reply P@tent.Guy
my major is EE
 
 
so its hard to make A's but easy to make B's right?
im trying to be optimistic here...
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Re: lawyer or agent?
« Reply #6 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 12:54am »
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on Apr 26th, 2006, 11:01pm, chekcv wrote:
sorry for the late reply P@tent.Guy
my major is EE
 
 
so its hard to make A's but easy to make B's right?
im trying to be optimistic here...

 
I think you are missing the point.  At schools with a higher curve, the typical student graduates with a  high gpa.   A student getting Bs in a school with a low cureve will graduate with a low 3. gpa *and* a mediocre class rank.    If you are attending a lower ranked school you want a good class rank and to graduate with honors if possible.
 
I'm not sure that the generalization that all lower ranked schools have stiff curves is true, but certainly some lower ranked schools do this because they want to weed out poor students who are at risk for not passing the bar.
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Re: lawyer or agent?
« Reply #7 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 3:01pm »
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Go to law school.  It sounds like you got into a decent one.  People have problems when they get a degree from 3rd and 4th tier schools (altough from what I've seen they generally find a job sooner or later). A law degree opens up a lot of different possibilites for work after you hold down a job for 3-4 years.  If you don't like patent work, you can change to a different practice area with a law degree.  
 
Don't believe all this doom and gloom you here from people about not being able to find a job.  Generally, the people that can't hold down a job have personality issues (e.g., they think know more than the partner, harass female staff, screw things up around the office, etc.), which keeps getting them fired.  Moreover, the amount of people doing the hiring is smaller than they think, so after they've screwed up about 3 jobs, word has gotten around.  They also screw up interviews, cover letter, resumies, networking events, etc.  Another catagory of lawyers who have problems finding work are the ones that majored in art, philosophy, or have some other non-practical BA degree.
 
With regard to patent law, I agree with the guy's post above who said a lot depends on whether or not you can communicate.  It never ceased to amaze me that people with Ph.D's and MS's in addition to a J.D., were incapable of following simple directions, couldn't write a basic buisness letter (much less a patent app.), and couldn't understand simple points.  It makes you wonder what the heck is going on in academia.  A lot of the CS guys have major problems communicating, especially the ones that are foreign born (and in some cases 1st generation immagrants).  This stems from problems with the language (something very important in law), and cultural problems, which manifest themselves when it comes to relating to other employees and clients.
 
Another factor to consider is in what subject you have the BS.  CS and EE are hot right now.  Computer Engenering is pretty good to.  Some of the other areas aren't as hot.  However, I've met plenty of attornies with a BS in biology or chemical engenering who are working in the patent field.  Maybe it's harder to find a job and you can't jump around as much, but it's definatly possible.
 
Oh yeah, one other thing, take the patent bar and pass it before law school or during your second year.  It makes it easier to find a job, and you're going to have to pass it sooner or later anyway.
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Re: lawyer or agent?
« Reply #8 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 9:53am »
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just make sure you really want to be a lawyer, and don't ignore the cost of law school.  borrowing money now is a lot different than paying it back later.
 
if you have a chance to go to a pretty decent school with a free ride, I'd suggest that.  No matter where you go, it helps to do well.  and while you may be competing with english majors, at the end of the day, you want a job doing patent work, and you will have something they don't -- a technical degree.  it doesn't matter if they have better grades than you if you're not competing for the same job at the end of the day.
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Justin
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Re: lawyer or agent?
« Reply #9 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 10:41am »
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Just a little info that may help you out.
 
I had a 154 lsat score, excellent grades in undergrad receiving my BSME.  I was accepted into a tier 2 school, late 70s ranking.
 
I did my first year and made all Bs and 2 B+s.  I was then able to transfer into a tier 1 school (high 40s).
 
So my collective GPA was a bit over a 3.0 at my first year school and I was able to transfer in.
 
Now I will warn you that there is definately some correlation between your legal skills and the LSAT.  I was a good student at the tier 2 school, now at the tier 1, I am mostly average.
 
My advice for anyone considering transferring is to have damn good reasons for transferring and keep up those grades.
 
Me, I had a job with an IP firm the spring of my first year, had a wife that was employed in the city where I wanted to transfer and all of my family lived in those areas.  
 
All of those considerations were likely crucial in transferring in.
 
Also keep in mind that some schools will create seats for transfer students when none are available.  It depends from school to school though.
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