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(Message started by: deerchooper on Oct 8th, 2006, 7:13pm)

Title: I have a question
Post by deerchooper on Oct 8th, 2006, 7:13pm
i have an idea for an ATV, aftermarket part. this atv will not be out until march of 2007. i have seen pictures of it and seen what ppl dislike or feal a little conserned about the design of the atv. now i feal if i can beat the jump on the larger atv aftermarket co. i might win out, but would rather have them make the part.

how would i go about dealing with the big aftermarket co.? how can i protect myself from them? someone told me to have them sign a NDA paper or something, which i dont know what that means.

I emailed a couple co. but only one repled to my massage. i didnt even tell them what kind of part it was, but i know it would sell like hot cakes. heres what they wrote.

Hello Terry-
I am not exactly sure when we are going to receive our first bike.
Depending on the kind of measurements you are looking for, there is a
possibility that we can help you. As far as the partnership, there again
that is going to be something that can be taken into consideration, I am not
going to promise one way or the other, but if you would like to explain your
idea a little bit, we can at least consider it. There is a good chance that
your local dealer will have a bike before us, depending on where you live.


Thanks
Bo ****XX


i asked him if he could give me some measurements, because they allways seam to have parts for something just as there released. then i went into asking him if WE could work something out, like i design it, you label it.

HELP ME, HELP ME, PLEASE.
thank you for your time
terry

Title: Re: I have a question
Post by biopico on Oct 8th, 2006, 7:46pm
Please check the site for the definition of NDA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement

Title: Re: I have a question
Post by Bill Richards on Oct 9th, 2006, 5:28am
An NDA is a good start, but you should also make sure you've thoroughly documented your invention so that you can prove your invention date. Do you have even a prototype? You might contact a qualified patent practitioner before you begin substantive talks with any company.
Also, the wikipedia site does not cover IP rights - an important thing to consider when exchanging information with another company. I've seen many of these arrangements, and it always helps to decide beforehand who owns what if there are inventions during the exchanges.

Title: Re: I have a question
Post by deerchooper on Oct 13th, 2006, 7:20am


thank you biopico

Title: Re: I have a question
Post by deerchooper on Oct 13th, 2006, 7:30am

on 10/09/06 at 05:28:43, Bill Richards wrote:
An NDA is a good start, but you should also make sure you've thoroughly documented your invention so that you can prove your invention date. Do you have even a prototype? You might contact a qualified patent practitioner before you begin substantive talks with any company.
Also, the wikipedia site does not cover IP rights - an important thing to consider when exchanging information with another company. I've seen many of these arrangements, and it always helps to decide beforehand who owns what if there are inventions during the exchanges.


no i do not have the prototype built, its in my head. the atv has not been released to the public yet so i cant build from it and i highly dought the atv manufacture will send me any measurements of the machine.

i could have one built in 2 days or less, its a very simple design. every aftermarket co. will make one, but i think mine will be different and better. plus the consumer will see the advantages of mine, which i think they will sell over and beyond the standard type.

Title: Re: I have a question
Post by deerchooper on Oct 13th, 2006, 7:32am
thank you as well bill.

do you have any more input? what should i do?

im just a backyard builder, with a family. that is what this country started with and how things were discovered. i know i cant compete with the big manufactures, but would like a piece of the pie.

Title: Re: I have a question
Post by JSonnabend on Oct 13th, 2006, 7:47am

Quote:
do you have any more input? what should i do?

I'm not sure what you're asking, as Bill's given you some excellent advice.  You don't need the exact dimensions to sketch-out the design, or even to build a mock-up (if not a true prototype).  Documenting your invention is something you "should do".

I'll also add that whatever makes yours "different and better", to use your words, may be the point of novelty amenable to patent protection.

With that in mind, you also might consider speaking directly with a qualified patent attorney, another thing you "should do", as Bill advised.  We're not all expensive -- I know I'm not and I think other practitioners here are reasonable as well.

In my private practice, many of my clients have been "backyard inventors with families".  What sets them apart from others is they take their ideas seriously and take real steps to protect them.  A few have even become "the big guy" in the field.

- Jeff

Title: Re: I have a question
Post by deerchooper on Oct 13th, 2006, 7:27pm
thank you jsonnabend/ jeff.

so if i draw up my idea, have it notorize, will that do?

just asking, because anybody can draw/ sketch something just as its released and said it was theres. or is that where you come in?



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