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wallflower
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Re: Just once I want to see a job posting that say
« Reply #15 on: Aug 25th, 2006, 12:43pm »
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I think you're leaving out a few additional pitfalls, such as if the application publishes or if the inventor relies on a poorly written application in business decisions.
 
As a person who has been involved in hiring decisions in the past, I would likely consider the decision to draft patent applications without a mentor to reflect poorly on the applicant.
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Re: Just once I want to see a job posting that say
« Reply #16 on: Aug 27th, 2006, 11:24am »
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He, he, but you were already not going to give her a job, so she has lost little in your case.
 
If she indicates that the application is not going to be submitted outside the US, she can opt to withold publication (and she demonstrates advanced knowledge of the rules).
 
I would suspect someone seriously considering hiring her would be asking for a writing example, and you're better off showing you can DO something, than being part of the pack by showing up empty handed.  
 
Finally, I am sure a number of people who post in this board would be happy to review the final application for a couple of hours of fees.
 
Again, just a suggested approach worth every penny ($0) that she paid. Cool
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Re: Just once I want to see a job posting that say
« Reply #17 on: Aug 31st, 2006, 2:09pm »
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on Aug 27th, 2006, 11:24am, LF wrote:
He, he, but you were already not going to give her a job, so she has lost little in your case.
 
If she indicates that the application is not going to be submitted outside the US, she can opt to withold publication (and she demonstrates advanced knowledge of the rules).
 
I would suspect someone seriously considering hiring her would be asking for a writing example, and you're better off showing you can DO something, than being part of the pack by showing up empty handed.  
 
Finally, I am sure a number of people who post in this board would be happy to review the final application for a couple of hours of fees.
 
Again, just a suggested approach worth every penny ($0) that she paid. Cool

 
Hi LF.  I just passed two weeks ago, and am starting my hunt.  Can't tell whether you are joshing or not.  Learning through mistakes is, of course, highly instructive.  How many mistakes (and how severe) are permissible depends on specific instances.  If someone follows your advice...(1) Wouldn't he leave himself wide open for malpractice suits.  I believe that an exam question asks whether a practitioner can state on the contract, "I have no experience, you are my guinea pig, and you agree not to sue me."  (2) Wouldn't word get around that you're a turkey.  I would think that having no record is better than a proven lousy one.  
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Re: Just once I want to see a job posting that say
« Reply #18 on: Aug 31st, 2006, 4:42pm »
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Y'all are missing the obvious.
 
If one just wants a patent writing sample, one could dream up an invention and write an application. It needn't be a worthwhile invention. I don't apply any "worthwhile" test to the inventions of my clients. If the writer is the inventor, malpractice concerns are avoided.  Here is a sample invention ... I'll give myself one minute to think of one ... starting now ...
OK, I've got one ... took 30 seconds.
My invention is a clock that announces the time when you clap. Clap once and it reads the time, clap twice it starts counting seconds out loud ... one final clap stops the counting.
 
Next, one could find an recent Office Action on PAIR. One could review the application, review the Office Action, review the cited references, and draft a response that could be put forward as a writing sample so long as it is understood that no representation of the owner of the application has occurred.
 
As far as limiting your liability to your client ... don't try it ... see Canon 10.78.
 
Would I do any of these things?  
No.
I found writing samples from previous scholastic and work experiences when I approached this career.
Should you do any of these things?
That's up to you.
 
A good concocted sample might get the job.
On the other hand, a bad concocted sample might lose the job.
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Re: Just once I want to see a job posting that say
« Reply #19 on: Sep 1st, 2006, 7:40am »
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I decided I'd enter my opinion on this matter.
I think time would be better spent looking for a job and looking for contacts than concocting writing samples.
 
Writing such samples would be bold and strange. It would demonstrate initiative and deviation from the norm. There is some special employer out there that would view such efforts positively. Most people would just find it weird.
 
Thinking outside the box is perhaps not the best first career move ... unless you truly want to live outside the box.
 
If you're trying to get a law firm job ... you need to think in the box. You need to think so in the box so as to forget the box is there. Be in the box.
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